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Old 12-04-2020, 04:32 PM   #3151
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fair enough i haven't really bothered with the new complex

jimmy is and always will be an astounding musician I hope it's clear my critique was about his psyche

 
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Old 12-04-2020, 04:33 PM   #3152
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he was once a creative drummer who gave every song the perfect spice it needed

now he's so autopilot honestly i feel a bit personally insulted

 
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Old 12-04-2020, 04:37 PM   #3153
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it's so SO fucking frustrating hearing iha rip on those live. he clearly had no input on recording, then a week before tour corgan sent him the setlist, he quickly fiddled around some parts, and it turned out AMAZING

there was clearly never any situation where they were all in a practice room for a month working on these. it's just corgan's shitty first drafts going through his own echo chamber of edits
https://youtu.be/olmVJZBxesM

This was when I realized we'd never get a good SP album. Knights of Malta is not listenable on the record, but is a totally serviceable ELO track live, it has an ethereal atmosphere missing in just about everything post MACHINA. Clearly Iha was never involved.

Corgan is a dipshit.

 
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Old 12-04-2020, 04:43 PM   #3154
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Jimmy def came back to synergize the brand not to do a paradigm shift.

 
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Old 12-04-2020, 04:47 PM   #3155
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There was a corporate powerpoint about it, didn't you guys check your mail that week?

 
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Old 12-04-2020, 05:02 PM   #3156
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Old 12-04-2020, 06:08 PM   #3157
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That's why live all of Corgan's shitty new songs sound so good. And why while it was a mediocre song Silvery Sometimes captured the SP aura.
So we are entering a phase in which the studio recordings mean nothing.

 
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Old 12-04-2020, 06:46 PM   #3158
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i'd like someone to look me in the eye and tell me JC is still playing like he did, ALL NONCHALANT LIKE, on that fucking demo

he's every bit as degraded as BC he just doesn't get half the publicity

/hot takes
you don't hear him banging away on Cyr? lol

 
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Old 12-04-2020, 06:49 PM   #3159
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https://youtu.be/olmVJZBxesM

This was when I realized we'd never get a good SP album. Knights of Malta is not listenable on the record, but is a totally serviceable ELO track live, it has an ethereal atmosphere missing in just about everything post MACHINA. Clearly Iha was never involved.

Corgan is a dipshit.
that whowawhoawahowahwhoa shit on the album track is literally the worst noise i have ever heard in my life on Knights of Malta and of course destroys the entire song.. yeah the live one isn't the worst thing I've ever heard.. but it's also a super cheesy song

 
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Old 12-04-2020, 06:58 PM   #3160
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I never realised that Home had mellotron on it. No wonder it sounds so good.

 
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Old 12-04-2020, 07:02 PM   #3161
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that whowawhoawahowahwhoa shit on the album track is literally the worst noise i have ever heard in my life on Knights of Malta and of course destroys the entire song.. yeah the live one isn't the worst thing I've ever heard.. but it's also a super cheesy song
now that I think of it.. it sort of sounds like that thing Borat / Sacha Baron Cohen does lol

 
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Old 12-04-2020, 08:11 PM   #3162
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those few moments of iso'd iha lead were the sexiest things i've heard this year
what i get from this is he's sitting back going "damn we used to be so good"

 
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Old 12-04-2020, 08:14 PM   #3163
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now that I think of it.. it sort of sounds like that thing Borat / Sacha Baron Cohen does lol

 
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Old 12-04-2020, 08:18 PM   #3164
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"hey boys lets just have a chill day at the studio"

"hell yea"

"damn"

"wow this is sick"

"damn dude"

 
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Old 12-04-2020, 09:44 PM   #3165
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Wow these are actually really great. Hope he does vids for all the songs.

What's really interesting is that some of these were tracked right around the time of The Arising, yet D'Arcy still wasn't on them. Maybe she was more MIA than what was lead to believe...

 
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Old 12-04-2020, 10:27 PM   #3166
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The toms track from the live studio take of Home being “basically worthless” nearly made me cry. They sound fucking magical on Arising! live versions of the song

 
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Old 12-04-2020, 10:43 PM   #3167
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Wow these are actually really great. Hope he does vids for all the songs.

What's really interesting is that some of these were tracked right around the time of The Arising, yet D'Arcy still wasn't on them. Maybe she was more MIA than what was lead to believe...
time to update the SP recording sessions wiki

 
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Old 12-04-2020, 10:51 PM   #3168
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definitely not as much as corgan, but yeah, a bit. he's making worse choices musically imo. physically he's still practically perfect while obeying the realities of aging
I have always wondered about his health since he was hospitalized with a blocked artery in 2007. I imagine some doctor has to have told him that he couldn't do 18-month-long tours anymore, nor spend six months in the recording studio. Serious heart issues are also incredibly common in addicts further down the line. He's toned and he looks healthy but he also has the appearance of somebody who is at least partially vegan, and at his age and previous medical history... sorry for speculating

 
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Old 12-04-2020, 11:01 PM   #3169
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Jimmy was hospitalized in 2007? Didn’t know that

 
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Old 12-04-2020, 11:18 PM   #3170
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yeah, woah, never heard that. i remember in like 2012? he had some issue with his hand or something? had to delay a drum clinic? but now that i think of it, isn't that some sort of heart related thing?

 
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Old 12-04-2020, 11:36 PM   #3171
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Very easy Google search, yep. They had to postpone a number of dates because of it. Hadn’t heard about the 2012 thing. Angina, maybe? I don’t know, it feels very rude and bad luck to speculate, frankly. I feel terrible even bringing it up because quite honestly Jimmy rules and I would be happy if he were to live healthily and happily forever

 
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Old 12-04-2020, 11:41 PM   #3172
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remember when a jellyfish stung his eye in florida on the early part of the machina tour?

which created that really unique show at the cat’s cradle in NC the following night.

i wanted out in the rain for several hours with friends trying to get tickets, to no avail

true story, this photo was taken after we got back and showered to warm up and then sat around drinking whiskey:
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Old 12-04-2020, 11:46 PM   #3173
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you know, since we're on the topic of Jim injuries

 
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Old 12-04-2020, 11:52 PM   #3174
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i wonder if the machina thing was a drug thing. cause i know he's said he's been clean since 2002 when his kid was born

 
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Old 12-05-2020, 01:25 AM   #3175
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lol dude it sounds exactly the same! someone should do a mashup and send it to Billy.. so he can hear!

 
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Old 12-05-2020, 01:56 AM   #3176
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he was once a creative drummer who gave every song the perfect spice it needed

now he's so autopilot honestly i feel a bit personally insulted
This. Lol.

I had a jimmy moment in 2015 on that tour, I wasn't particular excited about except that Jimmy was there. I spent 90% of it watching him play and he seemed bored. At one point, he saw me watching him and did this nice quick jimmy fill like, there's something to watch!

I think he was still using in Zwan and maybe he was using with Matt. It's no wonder he's bought all in to the new age/corporate speak the way he has. It makes him money and it helps him cope with addiction.
That's why he constantly backs up Billy any time he can using all the same sort of jargon.

 
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Old 12-05-2020, 01:59 AM   #3177
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it feels very rude and bad luck to speculate, frankly. I feel terrible even bringing it up because quite honestly Jimmy rules and I would be happy if he were to live healthily and happily forever
Also this.
And Billy made eye contact with me then spat on the stage like looking at me disgusted him

 
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Old 12-05-2020, 02:05 AM   #3178
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LOl Someone DID a Borat remix of Knights of Malta when it first came out. Idk where it is. Utube?

Yeah I checked it’s on there. I can’t link to it tho.

“ The smashing pumpkins knights of Malta but with borat “ is the title. It’s a hoot!

 
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Old 12-05-2020, 03:00 AM   #3179
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Masters present/Missing list, round 2, after going back and re-reading stuff:

Masters present:

Stand Inside Your Love
Slow Dawn
Crying Tree of Mercury - present but they're using the digital tape instead
Vanity
Slow Dawn
Here's To The Atom Bomb v1
The Imploding Voice
Glass' Theme
Whyte Spyder
Try, Try, Try M1
Try, Try, Try MII
If There Is A God (They're using the piano version it seems)
Blue Skies Bring Tears M1
Cash Car Star
Dross
Lucky 13
Speed Kills (They're not re-mixing it though)
Without You
This Time
In My Body
Innosense
Home
Age Of Innocence
Let Me Give The World To You


Masters missing/stolen/partially available:

The Everlasting Gaze
The Sacred And Profane
Heavy Metal Machine M1
BSBT Heavy (partially missing)
Glass And The Ghost Children M1, both parts (partially missing reels for P2)
Real Love
With Every Light

Didn't specify:
Pale Scales
I Of The Mourning
Promise

Doesn't exist/DAT masters/Home demos: Le Deux Machina, 'Le Deux Machina 3', Don't Wanna Be Your Lover, Laugh, Winterlong

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Old 12-05-2020, 03:14 AM   #3180
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he was just posting about Home

i went to youtube to give it a listen and came across this, which surely most of you have heard, but somehow i had never heard before - loved it

If you think Billy Corgan to be doing the "Pumpkins Super Fan" account, he must have become a "Wretzky Super Fan" too in the end:






Joking at their best:


 
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