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Old 03-27-2012, 08:49 PM   #1
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Like it or not.

Billy is a musical genius.

He's one of the most successful musicians in history, and it's not because he's a good puppet.

He's smart.

Great songs/shows/albums, and deft business acumen. He's had his ups and downs as most musicians have. He's still released more amazing songs than shit or mediocre songs. He is more valuable than most of the bands and musicians that came to success in the 2000s. he's been in a down period since SP came back, but who knows, hopefully Oceania is as good as he claims.

give billy some credit

 
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Old 03-27-2012, 08:50 PM   #2
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obviously he's written exceptional music

i dont think anyone here questions that at all

 
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Old 03-27-2012, 11:46 PM   #3
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He's still released more amazing songs than shit or mediocre songs.
i don't know. the shit and mediocre songs have really been piling up lately.

 
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Old 03-28-2012, 01:39 AM   #4
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Old 03-28-2012, 03:56 AM   #5
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would 90s billy have done this?

 
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Old 03-28-2012, 05:49 AM   #6
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He is more valuable than most of the bands and musicians that came to success in the 2000s.
lol what? says who? sp fans who are stuck in 1993 and haven't heard any post-90s music aside from zwan? billy is as valuable as rivers cuomo these days. maybe even less as cuomo at least had a few huge hits the last 12 years.

i like billy and aw but the guy's a cuckoo. these days he's not really a genius, more of an,uh, idiot savant.

 
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Old 03-28-2012, 07:55 AM   #7
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I kinda think it's hard to line Billy up against the likes of Bach and Beethoven and call him a genius and one of the most successful musicians in history. If people are still studying, learning and regularly playing his music, all over the world, 200 years from now, maybe people will say that. I....just don't see that as being very likely.

 
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Old 03-28-2012, 01:44 PM   #8
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In this interview Billy is WAY less crazy than I expected. Do I disagree with him on some issues? Sure. But he sounds very clear minded.

 
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Old 03-28-2012, 02:23 PM   #9
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What an absolute fucking hypocrite. Complains about corporations neutering music while sucking the dick of Visa and Nissan...

 
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Old 03-28-2012, 07:12 PM   #10
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Nissan? I thought it was Ford.

 
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Old 03-28-2012, 08:32 PM   #11
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Stick.

 
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Old 03-29-2012, 02:11 AM   #12
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Like it or not.

Billy is a musical genius.

He's one of the most successful musicians in history, and it's not because he's a good puppet.

He's smart.
no he's not he's gifted with a near idiot savant like musical genius for one window 15 years ago ago and now he's so lost in his own narrative he can't produce anything whole

the end

 
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Old 03-29-2012, 02:12 AM   #13
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lol what? says who? sp fans who are stuck in 1993 and haven't heard any post-90s music aside from zwan? billy is as valuable as rivers cuomo these days. maybe even less as cuomo at least had a few huge hits the last 12 years.

i like billy and aw but the guy's a cuckoo. these days he's not really a genius, more of an,uh, idiot savant.
all of this is true

 
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Old 03-29-2012, 02:13 AM   #14
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I kinda think it's hard to line Billy up against the likes of Bach and Beethoven
burn your ancient white gods this is punk rock

 
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Old 03-29-2012, 02:37 AM   #15
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Old 03-29-2012, 03:21 AM   #16
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all of this is true
Yeah, Rivers has still been able to produce a few pop gems here and there. Take this track for instance:

I love listening to this one in the heat while drinking a few brews... While its incredibly cheesy its just a great pop song... I mean the outro that starts around the 4 minute mark... How can someone not love that part? The vocal harmonies are fantastic.... The last 2 or 3 minutes just make the song.

 
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Old 03-29-2012, 03:30 AM   #17
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I mean as much as Weezer has tailed off they still knock one outta the park now and again... I mean how can anyone hate Weezer after watching this video?


 
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Old 03-29-2012, 03:32 AM   #18
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Rivers insect song is better than Billys My little pony song

 
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Old 03-29-2012, 04:16 AM   #19
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weezer isn't out to change rock and roll so they are having fun and i'm sure billy thinks they are destitute turdsellouts when really he's teh big turd

 
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Old 03-29-2012, 04:48 AM   #20
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weezer isn't out to change rock and roll so they are having fun and i'm sure billy thinks they are destitute turdsellouts when really he's teh big turd

Speaking of having fun...March 2012 >>>


 
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Old 03-29-2012, 05:19 AM   #21
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those guys still have shows?

 
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Old 03-29-2012, 05:19 AM   #22
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you can really coast on a couple 90s hits

 
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Old 03-29-2012, 05:42 AM   #23
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haha shit i had NO IDEA those guys were still touring. It would be fun to check em out in a club or something if the only songs they'd play would be off the album with Lump and Peaches (the name escapes me atm)....

I mean who would really wanna go see those guys live to hear new music or anything? it'd have to be a purely nostalgic gig.

 
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even spin doctors are still touring. 90s one hit wonder are impossible to beat.

 
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Old 03-29-2012, 06:36 AM   #25
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those guys still have shows?
I actually saw them play live in 2008...kick-ass show. They released an album that year.

 
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Old 03-29-2012, 05:01 PM   #26
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even spin doctors are still touring. 90s one hit wonder are impossible to beat.
yeah bands like this make everclear and bush look legitimate

 
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Old 03-29-2012, 05:01 PM   #27
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OMG GIN BLOSSOMZ

 
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Old 03-29-2012, 06:20 PM   #28
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Musical genius transcends genre and time. If they don't measure up to previous and recognized talent then they're probably not actually musical geniuses. Cultural icons that happen to make organized noise, that is popular listening for a time with a select group of people, yes. Musical geniuses, not really. The unfortunate thing is that you have to study music to understand what musical genius looks like and most people haven't. Mist people know nothing about musical form or the history of western music and they just pick out something that sounds, like, really good to them, and they decide the person who made it is a musical genius. If it makes them happy, then who cares. But the truth is, it probably isn't anything great enough to survive the ravages of time and changing preferences. When works of music do that for a couple hundred years, then chances are, it was written by an actual musical genius. It isn't restricted to western music or western classical music. Plenty if blues and jazz will survive well into the next century because students all over the world are slaving away at their instruments for four hours a day to learn it so they can play it and improvise on it. Plenty of Eastern music, Indian, Chinese, Japanese traditional music is being learned by diligent and passionate musicians in those countries.

Sid Vicious and Billy Corgan will be remembered a little. But they're more in the category of music that "sounds really, really good...this must have been written by a MUSICAL GENIUS, man!!". You know, we're grown ups now. Let's stop kidding ourselves.

 
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PUNK ROCK FOREVER

KILL YOUR ANCIENT WHITE GODS

 
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Old 03-29-2012, 06:29 PM   #30
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you know even by your own definition you can't call these ancient white men geniuses

just because something is preserved by academia doesn't mean that the broader culture finds it precious. do i think people will be playing paint it black on their guitar on the corner 200 years from now, absolutely and it's easily more plausible than them knowing Beethoven's Ode to Joy.

 
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