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01-16-2022, 06:46 PM | #61 |
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01-16-2022, 07:23 PM | #62 |
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There was a lot of hype. It was released I want to say early June but I’m not sure - I just remember all these gothy kids in their black zero long sleeves queuing and wilting in the heat. MTV Europe went hard with Ava Adore and all music mags had some kind of feature on the band / record. I was broke traveling that summer. I eventually scrounged some money for Adore and Celebrity Skin in October. autumn, many Mellon Collie fans had abandoned ship. The boards were lit with new fans who went hard with the zeal of the newly converted. I remember when the Perfect vid was recorded, there were accounts of board members who were there and so excited because the band was in rocking form and the vid was a sequel to the Mellon Collie hits.
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01-16-2022, 08:26 PM | #63 |
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01-16-2022, 09:02 PM | #64 |
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01-16-2022, 09:44 PM | #65 |
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01-17-2022, 01:41 AM | #66 | |
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You’re the Fred Durst backwards hat kinda guy. You do it all for the nookie. It’s never gonna work. |
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01-17-2022, 03:25 AM | #67 | |
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who the fuck is bashing to sheila in here
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01-17-2022, 03:36 AM | #68 |
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To Sheila was the most disappointing opening at that point in the sequence. And especially jarring as a follow up to MCIS. Like instantly lackluster.
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01-17-2022, 04:31 AM | #69 |
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01-17-2022, 08:29 AM | #70 | |
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To call it lacklustre is sort of missing the point of it. |
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01-17-2022, 09:30 AM | #71 |
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to sheila is the BEST opener of any pumpkins album
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01-17-2022, 09:52 AM | #72 |
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To Shiela CLOSES mcis. "twilight fades...." it's the perfect and obvious way to start the album.
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01-17-2022, 10:47 AM | #73 |
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01-17-2022, 12:03 PM | #74 | |
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and for the record, I like To Sheila. Just don't see it as this Porcelina-level masterpiece some of you treat it as - and in terms of Pumpkins "love" songs, give me Luna, By Starlight, or SIYL over it any day sorry Sheelz! |
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01-17-2022, 12:08 PM | #75 | |||
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boy, am I really being cornered as the "spearhead" of anti-To-Sheiladom? I wasn't even the first bloke talking about it! & with my signature, boy this really ain't the best look for my Pumpkins-based political campaign
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01-17-2022, 07:35 PM | #76 |
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Was a good time to be playing music with Billy Pumpkin.
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01-17-2022, 08:03 PM | #77 |
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01-18-2022, 10:06 PM | #78 | ||
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01-19-2022, 11:46 AM | #79 |
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No, but that post sure says a lot about you!
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01-20-2022, 01:02 AM | #80 |
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01-20-2022, 01:12 AM | #81 |
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I thought it was a near universally held opinion that Love or WOCOAN were the worst things on that album; this is the first I've ever heard anyone nominate To Forgive for that dubious honor
For my money the real answer is Tales Of A Scorched Earth But anyway To Sheila is lovely, I never skip it. |
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01-20-2022, 01:19 AM | #82 |
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songs i've heard others say are the worst on the album:
to forgive love cupid de locke take me down tales of a scorched earth we only come out at night lily cupid and tales are two of my all time favourites |
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01-20-2022, 01:26 AM | #83 |
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my all time favourites:
jellybelly here is no why fuck you cupid galapgos porcelina thirty three tales ruby xyu by starlight farewell and goodnight everything else is okay but i feel little to nothing for them, or i don't need to hear them ever again |
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01-20-2022, 01:30 AM | #84 |
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mellon collie is as dense with filler as ok computer
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01-20-2022, 01:38 AM | #85 | |
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the rare thread that's not nonsense!
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Similar to something else you said, I think he was just doing his thing, but coming from a totally new head space of having achieved everything, within reason, he'd ever set out to do. That didn't work for him then or at any point since. The Adore-era quote that resonates with me the most is Billy saying, in hindsight, he realized he was artificially limiting/constraining himself (paraphrased). It was as if he felt that to avoid treading water and somehow find yet another way forward, he'd have to challenge himself by leaving behind much of what made him great—that he'd worked so relentlessly for a decade to build. And he was wrapped up enough in his own success to not fully appreciate the risk of falling short and how quickly TSP's seemingly unstoppable momentum could be brought to a halt. My memory of the fan reception was that Adore was initially well received, but then, of course it was. TSP could have released anything after those recent string of years and it would have been accepted by default. That's how groupthink works. But it didn't take the more casual fans long for their interest to shift elsewhere, and it was ultimately the beginning of the end of mainstream fandom. Since then, the fanbase has only gotten more and more niche. About a decade ago, even most of the burnouts moved on. I'm not sure how to describe current fans. Last edited by selection7 : 01-20-2022 at 01:49 AM. |
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01-20-2022, 01:42 AM | #86 | |
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Also, TOASE gets my blood boiling. Each to their own, though. And part of my point was that it's not really dubious to be the worst song on MCIS. Still a great song. Enjoyable to play on guitar, too. Last edited by selection7 : 01-20-2022 at 01:50 AM. |
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01-20-2022, 02:23 AM | #87 |
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My unpopular opinion of Lily being the worst MCIS track remains
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01-20-2022, 02:23 AM | #88 |
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I've heard all the arguments for it, and I just don't enjoy it
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01-20-2022, 11:33 AM | #89 |
Minion of Satan
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people who hate Tales didn't have a bad enough childhood
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01-20-2022, 11:33 AM | #90 |
Minion of Satan
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& Lily's cute
Well, as cute as a song about felony voyeurism can be which as it turns out, is pretty cute! |
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