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Old 03-10-2019, 09:48 AM   #1
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Default William Patrick Corgan - Archer (Appreciation Thread)

I weep for love and it's surreal
Goodbye, dear one, I haven't given up
I'm just the archer for the sun
Where forever is undone...

 
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Old 03-10-2019, 07:07 PM   #2
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yes it's a good song. probably one of his best in the last 10years.

 
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Old 03-10-2019, 07:36 PM   #3
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and that's saying much

 
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Old 03-10-2019, 09:03 PM   #4
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good song.

 
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Old 03-10-2019, 09:35 PM   #5
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and that's saying much
do you feel big

when you hate against the strong?

 
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Old 03-11-2019, 01:42 AM   #6
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Great jam. Handily in the top 5 he's written from the reunion in 2007 to now.

Solid live version here that didn't get aired, and didn't make the rounds quite like it should have:


 
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Old 03-11-2019, 01:52 AM   #7
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/\ do we know who junior is?

 
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Old 03-11-2019, 04:55 AM   #8
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I love that song. It had a Gish vibe, something like Crush. Even the production is great.

 
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Old 03-11-2019, 05:27 AM   #9
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I weep for love and it's surreal
Goodbye, dear one, I haven't given up
I'm just the archer for the sun
Where forever is undone...
What if Billy's talking about saying goodbye to his ideal of June?

Caveat: I haven't actually listened to the song or know the rest of the lyrics

 
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Old 03-11-2019, 11:41 AM   #10
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I felt like sharing this song, because it's actually helping me get through the death of a dearly loved one.

 
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Old 03-11-2019, 01:35 PM   #11
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What if Billy's talking about saying goodbye to his ideal of June?

Caveat: I haven't actually listened to the song or know the rest of the lyrics
His lyrics are meaningless. And that’s fine. Looking for deep meanings is futile. The whole June / Glass stuff is for teenagers and sadmachines.

 
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Old 03-11-2019, 05:26 PM   #12
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..The whole June / Glass stuff is for teenagers and sadmachines.
...and not to mention the Jackboots

 
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Old 03-11-2019, 05:36 PM   #13
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The sun undoes forever? How? Why?

 
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Old 03-12-2019, 12:40 PM   #14
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Great jam. Handily in the top 5 he's written from the reunion in 2007 to now.

Solid live version here that didn't get aired, and didn't make the rounds quite like it should have:

This is 1000x better at 1.25x speed.

 
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Old 03-12-2019, 01:02 PM   #15
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This is 1000x better muted.

 
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Old 03-12-2019, 02:04 PM   #16
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/\ do we know who junior is?
Yup.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jade_Puget

 
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Old 03-12-2019, 02:06 PM   #17
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I felt like sharing this song, because it's actually helping me get through the death of a dearly loved one.
This song has that kind of power to it - it's solid, solid stuff. Old school SP power, I'd contend.

Has become one of my songs that I'm singing to my new little girl born a few weeks ago.

Sorry to hear about your loss.

 
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Old 03-12-2019, 03:52 PM   #18
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This is pretty cool, esp. at 3:34, when the camera angle cuts out LS.

 
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Old 03-12-2019, 10:02 PM   #19
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I love that song. It had a Gish vibe, something like Crush. Even the production is great.
what a strange thing to say. it certainly does not have a gish vibe. except for both being quiet songs, they're almost polar opposites in tone and timbre.

gish is youthful, naive, and completely free. archer (and ogilala in general) are somber, disillusioned, matured, and declining.

 
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Old 03-13-2019, 10:38 PM   #20
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It's unquestionably the best song he's put out since perhaps 2007. Got this Echo & The Bunnymen feel to it, and the lyrics seem to evoke the realization that no matter how hard he tries he'll never hit the heights he once did. It feels earnest and heartfelt, like good SP should.

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Old 03-13-2019, 11:03 PM   #21
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It’s as if the muse is intact, somewhere in the terahertz of the singularity

Must be frustrating! As a songwriter

To have it reappear, as it was, perfect and complete, for a song like this

But then....where does it go off to, when/will it return

 
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Must be frustrating! As a songwriter

To have it reappear, as it was, perfect and complete, for a song like this

But then....where does it go off to, when/will it return
Very interesting thought - having zero artistic talent for things of that ilk, one I've never had. That's got to be frustrating.

While I don't think it's the BEST song he's written since 2007, but it's easily one of his most earnest. I think that's what makes songs like this one and other winners (see: Stellar) is that sincerity that can't be faked, which makes the old SP so awesome, is there.

I'm no recording artist, but noticed in the liner notes that Archer was mixed and mastered at a different time than the rest of the tracks. Logic tells me that he recorded it after the rest and did what it took to get it onto the album, knowing it was a gem.

 
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