Netphoria Message Board


Go Back   Netphoria Message Board > Smashing Pumpkins Boards > Smashing Pumpkins/Billy Corgan Discussion
Register Netphoria's Amazon.com Link Members List Mark Forums Read

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 01-23-2023, 02:22 PM   #1
Ram27
dumb
 
Ram27's Avatar
 
Location: $8.6 million embezzled funds
Posts: 11,358
Default New song Jan 24 - Beguiled

if we didn't already hear this, i think i might've been somewhat pleasantly surprised. there's less synth, i guess

so fucking obnoxious to have like 3 songs that are proper guitar songs and release 1 as the lead single

 
Ram27 is offline
Reply With Quote
Old 01-23-2023, 02:32 PM   #2
ilikeplanets
Braindead
 
ilikeplanets's Avatar
 
Location: Ignore List
Posts: 17,229
Default

Moss, Good In Goodbye and even Empahs are much better than Beguiled. I don't like this song.

 
ilikeplanets is offline
Reply With Quote
Old 01-23-2023, 02:36 PM   #3
T&T
Socialphobic
 
T&T's Avatar
 
Location: montreal
Posts: 11,656
Default

whens the Empires video coming out?
is ATUM promotion abandoned?

 
T&T is offline
Reply With Quote
Old 01-23-2023, 03:29 PM   #4
lionheart0
Demi-God
 
lionheart0's Avatar
 
Posts: 452
Default

I like this song quite a bit.

 
lionheart0 is offline
Reply With Quote
Old 01-23-2023, 06:45 PM   #5
paranoid
Minion of Satan
 
paranoid's Avatar
 
Location: up a tree
Posts: 7,510
Default

I hope it has guitars, real drums, no synths and no katie vocals.

 
paranoid is offline
Reply With Quote
Old 01-23-2023, 06:47 PM   #6
ourruseoffools
Apocalyptic Poster
 
ourruseoffools's Avatar
 
Posts: 2,103
Default

'Beguiled' personel:

James Iha: vocals, guitar, bass
D'Arcy Wretzky: vocals
Kerry Brown: drums, percussion

 
ourruseoffools is offline
Reply With Quote
Old 01-23-2023, 07:46 PM   #7
phang
Ownz
 
phang's Avatar
 
Posts: 565
Default

A few months on and yeah I don't have much issue with Beguiled. It's butt chuggin', it doesn't go anywhere, it's uninspired... huh wait I guess I do have issues with it.

But that said, it's at least a foot tapper, it has a hook, it's not quite clown fuck ass music and I wouldn't be completely embarassed if someone heard it on the radio and said "hey, I heard that new song from that band you like..."

I'm happy enough, I dig it. It's one of the songs from this album/era that gets a pass. Just.

 
phang is offline
Reply With Quote
Old 01-23-2023, 08:05 PM   #8
ilikeplanets
Braindead
 
ilikeplanets's Avatar
 
Location: Ignore List
Posts: 17,229
Default

RETURN THE FAITH

 
ilikeplanets is offline
Reply With Quote
Old 01-23-2023, 11:23 PM   #9
Modern90's
Demi-God
 
Modern90's's Avatar
 
Location: The Past, Future, and Present
Posts: 388
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by ilikeplanets View Post
Moss, Good In Goodbye and even Empahs are much better than Beguiled. I don't like this song.
The meow mix theme really ruined anything good going on for moss

 
Modern90's is offline
Reply With Quote
Old 01-23-2023, 11:59 PM   #10
Ram27
dumb
 
Ram27's Avatar
 
Location: $8.6 million embezzled funds
Posts: 11,358
Default

wait do you think he's gonna skip beguiled? maybe we'll get whatever the next one is. probably more synth

 
Ram27 is offline
Reply With Quote
Old 01-24-2023, 12:00 AM   #11
Ram27
dumb
 
Ram27's Avatar
 
Location: $8.6 million embezzled funds
Posts: 11,358
Default

also i'm listening to 'synth music' [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jfKfPfyJRdk] rn and it's amazing how good it is when it's not corgan involved

 
Ram27 is offline
Reply With Quote
Old 01-24-2023, 12:18 AM   #12
ilikeplanets
Braindead
 
ilikeplanets's Avatar
 
Location: Ignore List
Posts: 17,229
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Modern90's View Post
The meow mix theme really ruined anything good going on for moss
Oof that's true. I don't like any of them much, and remembered liking the guitar in Moss but haven't listened to it since so I forgot about those terrible meows. They were meant to be taken with "a wink and a nod."

 
ilikeplanets is offline
Reply With Quote
Old 01-24-2023, 12:20 AM   #13
ilikeplanets
Braindead
 
ilikeplanets's Avatar
 
Location: Ignore List
Posts: 17,229
Default

Does anybody have a running tally of how many times Corgan has said "a wink and a nod" during this podcast? It's at least 7. To me, that means he's framing it that if you find the music crappy, we'll that's because it's one level too deep for you, and you just don't understand the layers of irony. Gross.

 
ilikeplanets is offline
Reply With Quote
Old 01-24-2023, 12:20 AM   #14
enthusaroo
Apocalyptic Poster
 
enthusaroo's Avatar
 
Location: ameriKKKa
Posts: 2,746
Default

sucks

 
enthusaroo is offline
Reply With Quote
Old 01-24-2023, 04:25 AM   #15
Forgotten Child
Apocalyptic Poster
 
Forgotten Child's Avatar
 
Location: SP, Sao Paulo - Brazil
Posts: 4,846
Default

[

 
Forgotten Child is offline
Reply With Quote
Old 01-24-2023, 05:50 AM   #16
New Art Rioter
Apocalyptic Poster
 
Location: vortex of lost souls
Posts: 1,966
Default

Have stuck Machina 2 on instead of listening to that. It's great. What the fuck happened to this band

 
New Art Rioter is offline
Reply With Quote
Old 01-24-2023, 07:36 AM   #17
absof
Demi-God
 
Posts: 420
Default

They’ve just given up on guests at this stage, huh?

 
absof is offline
Reply With Quote
Old 01-24-2023, 08:34 AM   #18
VoxUpDoc
Apocalyptic Poster
 
VoxUpDoc's Avatar
 
Posts: 3,861
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by absof View Post
They’ve just given up on guests at this stage, huh?
Will Act 3 even have a podcast?

 
VoxUpDoc is offline
Reply With Quote
Old 01-24-2023, 12:35 PM   #19
dustrocck
Demi-God
 
dustrocck's Avatar
 
Posts: 494
Default

There's a 3rd act?

 
dustrocck is offline
Reply With Quote
Old 01-24-2023, 02:07 PM   #20
Ram27
dumb
 
Ram27's Avatar
 
Location: $8.6 million embezzled funds
Posts: 11,358
Default

hell no, that's for the tea consumers only

 
Ram27 is offline
Reply With Quote
Old 01-24-2023, 02:22 PM   #21
Big Truck05
Apocalyptic Poster
 
Big Truck05's Avatar
 
Location: Riverside, CA
Posts: 1,223
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Ram27 View Post
hell no, that's for the tea consumers only
You buy tea, NOW!

 
Big Truck05 is offline
Reply With Quote
Old 01-24-2023, 05:45 PM   #22
VoxUpDoc
Apocalyptic Poster
 
VoxUpDoc's Avatar
 
Posts: 3,861
Default

There is a third act. It starts in a couple of weeks iirc.

Tea customers get Act Four

 
VoxUpDoc is offline
Reply With Quote
Old 01-24-2023, 07:28 PM   #23
phang
Ownz
 
phang's Avatar
 
Posts: 565
Default

ABANDONED PROJECT #69

The podcast was absolutely groundbreaking but the fans just didn't get it, the remaining ones were recorded but now they're just sitting on a shelf.

Look out for ATUM reissue in 2050 to hear the secret insight into Act 3, available with tea purchases only.

 
phang is offline
Reply With Quote
Old 01-26-2023, 12:09 PM   #24
jimmy drevpile
Apocalyptic Poster
 
jimmy drevpile's Avatar
 
Location: silphomusic.com
Posts: 1,287
Default

Did Billy say something about Strawberry on this podcast or something?

 
jimmy drevpile is offline
Reply With Quote
Old 01-26-2023, 01:29 PM   #25
themadcaplaughs
Apocalyptic Poster
 
themadcaplaughs's Avatar
 
Posts: 2,625
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by jimmy drevpile View Post
Did Billy say something about Strawberry on this podcast or something?
Didn't hear anything about Strawberry, but I could have missed something. My attention was scattered. It was the first one I've listened to in a while because I wanted to hear him discuss Zwan. He dropped some interesting nuggets:

-Says the "spirit" of the band was more in line with the Djali Zwan, where it was as much about having a cool "vibe" as much as great songs. He says when we hear those, we'll really understand the true spirt of that band and how Matt, David, and Paz really made it a different project than SP.

-Said the first year or so was great; particularly playing shows. The issues came when the record label started putting pressure on Billy in regards to making a commercial album. When they went into the studio, Matt, David, and Paz wanted to bring that same type of "cool vibe" element to the recording process as opposed to the more precise way Billy and Jimmy were used to recording. Said they had some big fights about this where they basically told him it was recording everything over and over again and analyzing things too much that caused SP to break up. He said to their credit, they really could not understand the pressure the label put on him (said even Jimmy was unaware of a lot of it until later).

-He said that after the record came out and the band got back on the road, things felt better. After the album failed in the label's eye, however, they pulled all funding from it and let it die. He said "after the money ran out", it was clear that Matt, David, and Paz has no lasting connection or desire to continue the band on a bigger level.

-He says they all play on the album, but admits he really took over the recording process. He considers Mary Star of the Sea the "lost" Pumpkins album that just happens to have other people playing on it. Says, in retrospect, they should have just pursued a more indie type deal where they could be the "vibe" band.

-Says when it came to recording, it was "three against one" (Matt, David, and Paz vs. Billy and Jimmy). When it came to partying it was often "four against one" (everyone against Billy).

 
themadcaplaughs is offline
Reply With Quote
Old 01-26-2023, 01:57 PM   #26
Ram27
dumb
 
Ram27's Avatar
 
Location: $8.6 million embezzled funds
Posts: 11,358
Default

good to know JC was still in his partying era

why did 'the label' give so much of a shit about an unheard of band? if corgan is still top of the world mr pumpkin shouldn't he get to dictate terms a bit?

 
Ram27 is offline
Reply With Quote
Old 01-27-2023, 02:13 PM   #27
dustrocck
Demi-God
 
dustrocck's Avatar
 
Posts: 494
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Ram27 View Post
good to know JC was still in his partying era

why did 'the label' give so much of a shit about an unheard of band? if corgan is still top of the world mr pumpkin shouldn't he get to dictate terms a bit?
He wanted to release Jellybelly as the first single off MCIS and the label said no.

I think the label pressure is always there, and I think part of it is really what brought out Billy's best work. I know the democratization of music is probably for the best overall, but major labels did attempt to rein in the excesses or laziness of some of these artists.

They would be paying for studio time, mixing, engineering, etc. Spend as much time in the studio as you like, but we need some radio hits because we want to recoup our money in CD sales.

 
dustrocck is offline
Reply With Quote
Old 01-27-2023, 03:57 PM   #28
jimmy drevpile
Apocalyptic Poster
 
jimmy drevpile's Avatar
 
Location: silphomusic.com
Posts: 1,287
Default

More money in touring these days for established acts to do what they please I guess?Release 33 song synth pop record at your leisure. Play old hits on your tour. (Maybe sneak in one or two from new work = not legacy act).Profit.

 
jimmy drevpile is offline
Reply With Quote
Old 01-28-2023, 06:49 AM   #29
eviltimeban
Apocalyptic Poster
 
eviltimeban's Avatar
 
Posts: 2,133
Default

It costs pretty much zero to release an album digitally these days. And you can record it all at home. So that part of the cost is now gone (what used to be expensive studios, producing CDs, etc).

Now it's about promotion. Touring is a double edged sword - if a band is big enough (e.g. War on Drugs level, or SP themselves) they can do big shows and headline festivals for a payout. If the band is middle level, or smaller, they may actually end up losing money when they tour. That's why now they focus on merch and vinyl.

"Label interference" is like a movie studio rejecting a cut of a film. And then the director's cut comes out. They've invested into the movie / album, and they want to see a return on that investment, and they believe (right or wrong) that they know what'll sell.

So presumably Billy wanted to make an album of the more indie or early Zwan material they were playing live, but the label wanted radio singles. And to his credit, he delivered that.

I played MSOTS the other day and I found it quite tiring - his voice in particular. It just stays the same all the way through. The only break was Of A Broken Heart, where he uses a different tone.

 
eviltimeban is offline
Reply With Quote
Old 01-28-2023, 01:00 PM   #30
ilikeplanets
Braindead
 
ilikeplanets's Avatar
 
Location: Ignore List
Posts: 17,229
Default

So, no one was profoundly moved by the knowledge that this song is not about "return[ing] the faith" to Shiny-Billy, but from the perspective of the XNI?

 
ilikeplanets is offline
Reply With Quote
Reply


Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

vB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is On
Google


Forum Jump

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
I recently bought Adore on mono vinyl and did a side-by-side comparison slunken Pumpkins Archive 22 07-20-2017 11:49 AM
Machina II Copies Selling Again Spira|_ Pumpkins Archive 29 03-21-2017 05:04 AM
How much drugs was Big Willie on when he wrote the Machina Mystery? BurtSampson Pumpkins Archive 61 09-23-2016 06:52 PM
Oceania Megathread sweetanthony Pumpkins Archive 1470 08-27-2012 12:42 PM
adore, almost ten years later: oceancrayon Pumpkins Archive 130 03-13-2008 04:00 PM


All times are GMT -4. The time now is 03:32 AM.




Smashing Pumpkins, Alternative Music
& General Discussion Message Board and Forums
www.netphoria.org - Copyright © 1998-2022