the national

[redbreegull]

Originally Posted by Trotskilicious

almost feel like the video is showing that yes even arcade fire has a sense of humor, if you can believe that

I think Bowie is in that video

Originally Posted by Trotskilicious

i don't remember anything from NB i dunno why people jerk on that album TBH

so you don't remember the album but you're convinced it's less pop than reflektor? what the fuck are you even arguing with me about? another case of starting a conflict over literally nothing for the sake of it

[D.]

arcade fire on the reflektor tour was one of my favorite shows. that was the first show where i learned it's totally okay to dance to music uninhibited by what you think others are thinking.

[Rider]

Originally Posted by Poots

look dummy, if a band is writing pop music (which I'm sorry to break it to you, but The National is) then the hook has to come before 3:20 in the song. Otherwise it's not a hook. The hook is called the fuckin hook because it hooks you and makes you remember the song, through catchiness and repetition. What the fuck is the point of the hook if it happens so late in the song? Most assholes will have turned the song off if the catchy part occurs about the time that most songs are ending. I'm not saying that good music has to have a hook, but if it does, they will get to it pretty soon.

How dumb would have been for Slash to wait to play the catchy guitar shit in Sweet Child O' Mine until 3:20 into the song?

SLASH: "Just let them wait and I'll knock them out with this tasty lick near the end"

AXL: "Maybe we should play it sooner"

SLASH: "Nah man it will be cool if out of nowhere this hot guitar line comes in--it will be the hook, as it were"

AXL: "You're high, my friend. Start the song with it"

SLASH: "... yeah. Yeah, I guess you're right my friend, thank you. I could not see through the haze of mine own addiction"

AXL: "Give it nary another thought, my friend of these many tender years. Yours is the rock upon which I will build Guns and Roses"

They come together stage L into an embrace, lights down, spotlighted on the stage showing the fagility and purity of their love. A kiss, sweet and tender. Curtain.

I could not imagine a better last post.

[noyen]

all this "hook" talk is marketing jargon and lingo for salesmen. kill yourself. your reliance on Wikipedia and "a song must have this to be successful" shit and desperate desire to be right about something is turning into a discussion among two plebs who agree with each other and everyone else being sarcastic. seriously, kill yourself. guitar solo, chorus, hook who fucking cares Jesus Christ. Oooh wow you are breaking it to us hard on what "pop" music is. Ooh wow I had no idea what radio marketing research found out about whether someone will listen to an entire song based on the first 15 seconds because of demographics and "research. die in grease fires.

[Rider]

It kinda adds to the comedy of it if you know Slash hated that riff with a passion and didn't want it on the album at all. It was him making fun of Axl playing calliope circus music and Axl forced him to use the riff.

[noyen]

target demographic hit. oh the comedy. if only axl and slash could share us stories around the campfire about the hook incident.

[fuzzyroes]

Originally Posted by Trotskilicious

arcade fire is hooky as all fuck!

Of course they are. I'm not talking about Arcade Fire. I was talking about the National and bands who sound like them. They're monotonous songs that lack any real catchy verses, pre-choruses, choruses (ultimately any hooks).

I like catchy songs, songs with awesome parts that just come out of nowhere, great songwriting, great, unexpected melodies that you wouldn't expect to be put together on first listesn but sound so great once you hear it. I like songs with urgency, emotion, intensity.

Half these fucking hipster bands sound like they're half asleep most of the time.

It's weak man... super weak.

[fuzzyroes]

Originally Posted by Trotskilicious

you could be makin totally catchy jams bro but you're just too cool for it, that's a drag man.

he fucking says to jimmy page, with a fucking finger in his motherfucking nose

Jimmy page is all about the hooks man, what are you on about?

[redbreegull]

Originally Posted by fuzzyroes

Of course they are. I'm not talking about Arcade Fire. I was talking about the National and bands who sound like them. They're monotonous songs that lack any real catchy verses, pre-choruses, choruses (ultimately any hooks).

I have to assume that you actually haven't listened to the national

[Rairun]

Not that it matters, but Apartment Story is hooky as hell.

[noyen]

hooky means nothing to me but peter hook.

let's see some really nice hooks

big hooks

nice firm hooks

I'd love to play with your hooks
Suck em a little
Slap them around a bit
Get out your hooks
I am so fucking into your hooks
I wanna make you crazy, let's do some coke

[redbreegull]

yep no hooks here

[Shallowed]

LET ME TELL YOU ABOUT FUCKIN HOOKS

http://img1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb2...ky_patrick.jpg

[Trotskilicious]

Originally Posted by redbreegull

so you don't remember the album but you're convinced it's less pop than reflektor?

it's basically the definition of pop dude

i've listened to NB at least five times (it's how many tries i give something a lot of people like to click before i give up). only Antichrist Television Blues stick out.

on the other hand the first time i listened to body talk straight through about half the songs stuck in my hand

pop music, dogg.

[Trotskilicious]

Originally Posted by fuzzyroes

Of course they are. I'm not talking about Arcade Fire. I was talking about the National and bands who sound like them. They're monotonous songs that lack any real catchy verses, pre-choruses, choruses (ultimately any hooks).


Half these fucking hipster bands sound like they're half asleep most of the time.

It's weak man... super weak.

fucking again, it's like you really actually have a learning disability

the fact that you are grouping a certain kind of band together is one thing, i'm not even disputing that

the fact that they're "hipster bands" is what pisses me off

shut the fuck up about "hipster bands"

and stop listening to nofx. jesus.

[Trotskilicious]

Originally Posted by fuzzyroes

Jimmy page is all about the hooks man, what are you on about?

god damn it

the whole thing about zeppelin is that they moved rock radio into a direction of having epic, non pop and non hook, songs given significant airplay. yeah there are some zepp songs with hooks. jimmy page was definitely not "all about the hooks" unless you don't know a goddamn thing about zeppelin

the shit like stairway? that shit doesn't have hooks. there's no hooks in achilles last stand. they are free form epic jams

like fuck man just because you have an opinion doesn't make you informed

[Trotskilicious]

oh and as a final note to RBG i listened to reflektor one time and i'm now at work humming the hook at work

[Trotskilicious]

that's good hook

[Trotskilicious]

pardon me while i break out the zeppelin

[Trotskilicious]

ugh this remastering sucks, why do people buy this shit

it's all watered down and washed out. the big post jam refrain on dazed and confused has none of the OOMPH of the original mastering, i just compared them. fuck this remastering shit, god damn it

[Raskolnikov]

Originally Posted by Trotskilicious

ugh this remastering sucks, why do people buy this shit

it's all watered down and washed out. the big post jam refrain on dazed and confused has none of the OOMPH of the original mastering, i just compared them. fuck this remastering shit, god damn it

Haven't heard any of these yet - based on this - not worth my time? Tough to fathom with all of the big talk Page has been doing on them. Heard the others too, or just the first?

[Trotskilicious]

just the first

[Elphenor]

Originally Posted by redbreegull

yep no hooks here

It's not a bad song, but there is no hook. No part of the song that forces you to push the replay button.

[Elphenor]

A hook is usually no more than 5 seconds or so but it's repeated a bunch or it forces you to hit the repeat button a bunch and/or it just repeats inside your head all day because it's so distinct and catchy.

[Elphenor]

Like a guitar player who uses hooks is Marr. All his guitar parts are made up of wicked little hooks that repeat over and over. Jimmy Page is nothing like that.

[noyen]

SHUT THE FUCK UP YOU FUCKING FULL ON RETARD HOOKS.

clearly everyone using the word hook has differing opinions on what one is or isn't. JESUS CLIT CHRIST. if you're in marketing, okay, use hook. keep collecting your research on demographics and when the "hook" is needed to be heard. you fucking brain dead non-musicians talking about hooks as if it is an actual musical term or even slang please die. RIFFS RIFFS RIFFS. CHORUS BRIDGE CHORUS. FUCK DIE DIE DIE DIE DIE.

how this thread even turned into a discussion about "hooks" by the plebs is beyond me. i asked other people into the national to recommend songs. that's all. take your mental illness to the "cooking thread" about sandwiches.