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07-14-2022, 03:18 PM | #91 |
Minion of Satan
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Agree. M2 has always sounded like unfinished recordings and demos.
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07-14-2022, 08:28 PM | #92 |
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everything on MII sounds better than literally everything billy has done since
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07-14-2022, 09:19 PM | #93 | |
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all these dorks listening to M2 and pretending they can make it better. so lame. this is why rock music is so neutered these days. too many dorks over-analyzing it. |
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07-14-2022, 10:37 PM | #94 |
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Ok yeah let’s just be basic and take everything at face value and not analyze anything because slunken doesn’t like it
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07-14-2022, 10:56 PM | #95 |
Virgo
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what would you have done differently?
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07-14-2022, 10:57 PM | #96 |
Virgo
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song by song
make it better go |
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07-14-2022, 10:58 PM | #97 |
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track one, slow dawn improvements:
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07-15-2022, 03:08 AM | #98 | |
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The question is whether you think all of that's there/not there as deliberate artistic choice or not. I'm graduating my audio recording tech course in about 2 weeks by the way. Between terms, I took a shot at doing a light noise reduction pass to remove tape hiss from Try V1, Vanity and MII Speed Kills; I can put those up somewhere if anyone wants to hear 'em. |
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07-15-2022, 05:31 AM | #99 |
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i like all that shit
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07-15-2022, 07:01 AM | #100 | |
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07-15-2022, 07:10 AM | #101 |
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M2 happened a certain way and those songs are 100% complete. It's like fossils in amber. The only thing I'd really love out of this reissue is better MASTERING from the original tapes.
I believe the production "issues" fans have been bitching about since 2000 are really probably only tape degradation from non-high end transfers and final mastering. It's a pure mixtape vibe. 4 last random cassettes with absolutely wicked material that you toss your friend after the party is all over. It would be hella cool to listen to fresh, more delicate professional grade masters. Not out of some roses hope to make the material better, but to have slightly more delicious top end clarity than these dark old mysterious tapes everyone's been listening to for 20 years. |
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07-15-2022, 07:14 AM | #102 |
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Of course, what we'll probably get is a Bob Ludwig brickwalled reimagined Machina: The Ultimate Showdown Volume 1 release, with all new Jeff Schroeder guitar parts added to the mix and a Mike Byrne re-recording of This Time
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07-15-2022, 08:31 AM | #103 |
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Who in gods name cares about tge hiss and shit. M2 is perfect the way it is...love that lo_fi vibe...fuck brickwalled shit....
Not bitching, instead loving m2 the way it is. Do not need a 4 th alt version of if there is god, saturnine or lmgtwty.... Fuck the reissues... |
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07-15-2022, 09:31 AM | #104 |
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The unfinished aspect of M2 is what makes the tracks so special I think. They all have this hazy, gloomy, retrospective feel to them…it’s like a funeral that takes place out in a foggy field on a cold morning.
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07-15-2022, 09:38 AM | #105 |
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In My Body is fucking spectacularly liminal too
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07-15-2022, 11:12 AM | #106 |
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M2 always just sounded like the "pirate" rock album that it was, to me. which in some cases could have failed spectacularly but since by that point they had enough know-how & studio equipment to make it work, yeah it sounds rough around the edges in comparison to the releases immediately preceding it (even M1) but wouldn't you just kill for that shit now?
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07-15-2022, 11:16 AM | #107 |
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Granted, having it be a finalized record in the sense that M1 was - still loud, still messy, but maybe with Moulder/Flood involved - would at least be interesting to hear. worst case scenario it'd just end up like that Monster (R.E.M.) remix that came out a few years ago which also, basically, was interesting (mainly in the sense of getting to hear some of the subleties that may have been all but inaudible before) but not particularly superior the original at all. some albums were meant to sound "wrong"
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07-15-2022, 11:19 AM | #108 |
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Goldberg, tell ya i would.... But again we will get those bland stock synths, girly blackground singis and jeffreys metal licks topped by bollys stand out vibrato dropped consonant _wtf lyrics
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07-15-2022, 11:21 AM | #109 |
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I tell ya, when I made that post I was tunnel visioned - was NOT thinking about the girly blackground singis & I apologize for that, truly
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07-15-2022, 11:29 AM | #110 | |
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Easy example, I don't fucking LIKE the shit that Lucas did with all the old Star Wars films. But they're his to do with as he pleases - hypothetical scenario, say that none of the blasters had laser effects - if that were all Georgie boy wanted to go back to do, I wouldn't fault him for it. But I understand the fear that Billy will Lucas the whole thing. Also for comparison's sake... Nobody would say MCIS is incomplete in any way shape or form. I never thought any of the SP remasters were necessary, but I do like how the 2012 MCIS sounds a bit brighter and clearer. It isn't even that I think it's necessarily been "improved", but it does sound better to my ears. It was a nice surprise. With MII there''s absolutely a shit ton of stuff still sitting there that shouldn't be, even if everything here were intended for a professional release. Hearing studio talk is fun and all but I'm not gonna miss any of that shit when it's excised (though yeah, I do like "I'm jungle drummed out, man' as a memorable finish to Lucky 13) Like I said, it's fine to enjoy a lo-fi / mixtape/ amateur / rough - whatever the fuck anyone wants to call it vibe. It's a neat, intimate look at studio workings in place. But this is the band that got off on having like 70 fucking guitar tracks in Ruby and made it work. SP were always about top notch production. And I'm not even asking them to go back and give these songs "the MI treatment" to bring them to that maybe overproduced level - I just want them to sound clean and balanced at the bare minimum, which not all of them are. Like, if MI is a benchmark of "100% as Billy intended", I'd say MII is by and large like 65- 70% - all I'm asking is we get to like 80%. Last edited by Shadaloo : 07-15-2022 at 12:25 PM. |
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07-15-2022, 05:12 PM | #111 |
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Sadaloo...i beg your pardon...
Sp and top notch production??? M2 sounds better than anything released after it.... At least it sounds like a real band, some people playing together.... That is what i'd hope for m3/mcis2..... But sadly this might never happen again..... |
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07-15-2022, 05:14 PM | #112 |
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Shadaloo Sry...i get your point..... Didnt want to offend u
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07-15-2022, 07:39 PM | #113 | |
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07-15-2022, 07:41 PM | #114 |
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god fucking dammit those poor kids pissing their parents money away
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07-15-2022, 07:43 PM | #115 |
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"i love this painting but he really should have laid off the blue paint IMO maybe some more yellow or green IMO"
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07-15-2022, 07:45 PM | #116 |
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07-15-2022, 07:47 PM | #117 |
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You're a fucking asshole and a walking example of why this place has a garbage reputation. |
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07-15-2022, 10:18 PM | #119 | |
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also i wasn't talking about you pissing your money away in the first post, but your students i already want all of my money back after one single interaction |
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07-15-2022, 10:24 PM | #120 |
Virgo
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you seem really chill and even-tempered and meant for teaching tho for sure
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