Asheville/Fillmore acoustic songs (2007-2008 acoustic SP in general)

TheSultanOfCyr · 08-11-2022, 08:25 PM

Be interested to learn everyone's thoughts on this era a decade and a half down the line.

For me, these songs marked the last instances of that morose Pumpkins sound we heard in the Adore and Machina eras. Since then there's just nothing that's felt quite like it. It's a hard thing to articulate because everyone's experiences shape them differently, but there's something deeply mournful about some of these songs. They feel like the end of something, a style of writing that, either through choice or simply inability to recapture it again, hasn't returned, not even on Bill's solo albums (despite on paper similar stylistically). They don't capture whatever these songs did. Besides a properly structured Machina, obviously, I think a well-assembled album of these songs is the main thing I'd want released from the archives.

A lot of good stuff:
Psalm 131
No Surrender
Again, Again, Again (The Crux)
Sunkissed
Zeitgeist
99 Floors
Mama
The Rose March
Peace + Love
?
Promise Me
Communion
Orpheus Descending
If All Goes Wrong
The Leaving Lament

There's a pretty good album in there somewhere. All these songs are just so dour, in a way that I find so compelling. The chords, the melodies, the instrumentation, it all contributes to it. I'm not American but these songs have always brought to mind a rural American sunset. They simultaneously capture teenage idleness and longing, alongside a more adult romanticisation of those times. Obviously there're other cool bits and bobs like Pox, I'm Doing the Best I Can, !, Corsage in Flames, etc. but the ones listed above really capture something. I feel like a kid lying on his back in a bed in his grandparents' spare room with the bedside lamp on listening to some of these songs, in the exact same manner I did listening to Mellon Collie or Machina or some other album. Now that I can't go back to that phase of my life, I listen to these songs, and they just make me sad. In a way that makes me feel glad I had those times, but mournful that nothing can bring them back. "Lost on this road, are there any real Sundays to find?" has always hit like a truck, a Big Truck 05 if you will. But if I take a wander through my old village again at dusk, earphones in, listening to stuff like this or Machina, I can feel myself getting ever, ever so close to getting back there. But not quite.

But yeah, just wondering what you guys think of these, if you have any particular favourites or think any of them are stinkers and whatnot. Merci, mes garçons.

cork_soaker · 08-11-2022, 08:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheSultanOfCyr

these songs have always brought to mind a rural American sunset

slunken · 08-11-2022, 09:20 PM

It would have been great if they stuck with the "american gothic" vibe longer than they did. it suits him.

rose march is an amazing song

House of Bread · 08-11-2022, 10:23 PM

Yeah, I think this era had a lot of unrealized potential.

T&T · 08-12-2022, 05:33 AM

I'm pretty sure I made and circulated a comp of those songs. Loved them.
disk 1 was those songs
disk 2 was superchrist and Gossamer.

eviltimeban · 08-12-2022, 05:46 AM

Yes I have a rip of the concerts from If All Goes Wrong, the floor gig and the crowd gig including all those songs. It's really good. 99 Floors has a definite early Pumpkins flavour, and a lot of those songs tap into the same kind of songwriting from the earlier era.

The acoustic arrangements get a bit samey after a while, so would've been nice to hear fully realised versions of those songs. But instead of doing that, we got Teargarden.

T&T · 08-12-2022, 07:06 AM

the acoustic band recordings on It All goes Wrong are pretty good - I would have taken more of that even if it becomes samey. I think American Gothic was a miss and overproduced.

Slurpee · 08-12-2022, 08:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by T&T

I'm pretty sure I made and circulated a comp of those songs. Loved them.
disk 1 was those songs
disk 2 was superchrist and Gossamer.

I remember this, but I've lost it. If you dig it up I would like to d/l again.

Baffler_Meal · 08-12-2022, 09:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by slunken

It would have been great if they stuck with the "american gothic" vibe longer than they did. it suits him.

rose march is an amazing song

Strongly agree. I see American Gothic widely panned here but it is my favorite post-reunion collection of work by a mile.

Spaldz · 08-12-2022, 11:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by T&T

I'm pretty sure I made and circulated a comp of those songs. Loved them.
disk 1 was those songs
disk 2 was superchrist and Gossamer.

Still seeded here:
http://zombtracker.the-zomb.com/details.php?id=50707

Quote:

This is a compilation of new Smashing Sumpkins songs that have been played live to date on the 2007 tour.

Disk 1
01 Rose March 2007-07-30
02 Peace And Love 2007-07-31
03 No Surrender 2007-07-28
04 99 Floors 2007-07-27
05 The Leaving Lament 2007-07-16
06 I Don't Mind 2007-07-30
07 Psalm 131 2007-07-05
08 Question Mark 2007-06-26
09 If Only In A Dream 2007-06-30
10 Mama 2007-06-29
11 I'm Doing The Best I Can 06 2007-06-27
12 Promise Me 2007-07-16

Disk 2
01 SuperChrist 2007-07-30
02 Gossamer 2007-07-30

Enjoy!

thanks to the original tapers.

T&T · 08-12-2022, 04:59 PM

nice. time to log back into zomb and repair my damaged SP personal collection...

jimmy drevpile · 08-12-2022, 07:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by slunken

It would have been great if they stuck with the "american gothic" vibe longer than they did. it suits him.

rose march is an amazing song

slunken · 08-12-2022, 08:55 PM

dear god i couldn't even at gunpoint remember my zomb login info

slunken · 08-12-2022, 08:56 PM

limit reached

yea ok you've reached my fucking limit guy

slunken · 08-12-2022, 09:50 PM

someone be a bro and post the magnet/tracker come the fuck on

slunken · 08-12-2022, 09:51 PM

actually don't

i'm going to pout

until i figure this out

Spaldz · 08-13-2022, 09:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by slunken

actually don't

i'm going to pout

until i figure this out

Are you still pouting?

slunken · 08-13-2022, 12:42 PM

I AM ALWAYS POUTING

Forgotten Child · 01:41 PM

By the way, I was re-watching the DVD video where Billy appears writing the song mama and noticed he has an alternative version of In My Body lyrics.

SPFC has a few wrong verses (just for the moment X just pull me over — June's outcast X made dark eyes — left hiding, I form the screams X left hiding apple trees)

Ram27 · 08-14-2022, 08:14 PM

that's VERY cool, thanks for posting

love the idea of him having fuckin toodle-loo.txt on his macbook

Ram27 · 08-14-2022, 08:14 PM

.rtf sorry

NovaFritz · 08-15-2022, 11:07 AM

In my body is such a great song. Can you imagine a whole album that doubles down on that style? Wasted sunsets indeed.

08-11-2022, 08:25 PM	#1
TheSultanOfCyr Ownz Location: Walter E. Smithe Posts: 534	Asheville/Fillmore acoustic songs (2007-2008 acoustic SP in general) Be interested to learn everyone's thoughts on this era a decade and a half down the line. For me, these songs marked the last instances of that morose Pumpkins sound we heard in the Adore and Machina eras. Since then there's just nothing that's felt quite like it. It's a hard thing to articulate because everyone's experiences shape them differently, but there's something deeply mournful about some of these songs. They feel like the end of something, a style of writing that, either through choice or simply inability to recapture it again, hasn't returned, not even on Bill's solo albums (despite on paper similar stylistically). They don't capture whatever these songs did. Besides a properly structured Machina, obviously, I think a well-assembled album of these songs is the main thing I'd want released from the archives. A lot of good stuff: Psalm 131 No Surrender Again, Again, Again (The Crux) Sunkissed Zeitgeist 99 Floors Mama The Rose March Peace + Love ? Promise Me Communion Orpheus Descending If All Goes Wrong The Leaving Lament There's a pretty good album in there somewhere. All these songs are just so dour, in a way that I find so compelling. The chords, the melodies, the instrumentation, it all contributes to it. I'm not American but these songs have always brought to mind a rural American sunset. They simultaneously capture teenage idleness and longing, alongside a more adult romanticisation of those times. Obviously there're other cool bits and bobs like Pox, I'm Doing the Best I Can, !, Corsage in Flames, etc. but the ones listed above really capture something. I feel like a kid lying on his back in a bed in his grandparents' spare room with the bedside lamp on listening to some of these songs, in the exact same manner I did listening to Mellon Collie or Machina or some other album. Now that I can't go back to that phase of my life, I listen to these songs, and they just make me sad. In a way that makes me feel glad I had those times, but mournful that nothing can bring them back. "Lost on this road, are there any real Sundays to find?" has always hit like a truck, a Big Truck 05 if you will. But if I take a wander through my old village again at dusk, earphones in, listening to stuff like this or Machina, I can feel myself getting ever, ever so close to getting back there. But not quite. But yeah, just wondering what you guys think of these, if you have any particular favourites or think any of them are stinkers and whatnot. Merci, mes garçons.

08-13-2022, 01:33 PM	#19
Forgotten Child Apocalyptic Poster Location: SP, Sao Paulo - Brazil Posts: 4,876	By the way, I was re-watching the DVD video where Billy appears writing the song mama and noticed he has an alternative version of In My Body lyrics. SPFC has a few wrong verses (just for the moment X just pull me over — June's outcast X made dark eyes — left hiding, I form the screams X left hiding apple trees) Last edited by Forgotten Child : 08-13-2022 at 01:41 PM.

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08-11-2022, 09:20 PM	#3
slunken Virgo Posts: 42,781	It would have been great if they stuck with the "american gothic" vibe longer than they did. it suits him. rose march is an amazing song

08-11-2022, 10:23 PM	#4
House of Bread FKA Siamese33 Location: Brooklyn Posts: 5,353	Yeah, I think this era had a lot of unrealized potential.

08-12-2022, 05:33 AM	#5
T&T Socialphobic Location: montreal Posts: 11,676	I'm pretty sure I made and circulated a comp of those songs. Loved them. disk 1 was those songs disk 2 was superchrist and Gossamer.

08-12-2022, 05:46 AM	#6
eviltimeban Apocalyptic Poster Posts: 2,141	Yes I have a rip of the concerts from If All Goes Wrong, the floor gig and the crowd gig including all those songs. It's really good. 99 Floors has a definite early Pumpkins flavour, and a lot of those songs tap into the same kind of songwriting from the earlier era. The acoustic arrangements get a bit samey after a while, so would've been nice to hear fully realised versions of those songs. But instead of doing that, we got Teargarden.

08-12-2022, 07:06 AM	#7
T&T Socialphobic Location: montreal Posts: 11,676	the acoustic band recordings on It All goes Wrong are pretty good - I would have taken more of that even if it becomes samey. I think American Gothic was a miss and overproduced.

08-12-2022, 04:59 PM	#11
T&T Socialphobic Location: montreal Posts: 11,676	nice. time to log back into zomb and repair my damaged SP personal collection...

08-12-2022, 08:55 PM	#13
slunken Virgo Posts: 42,781	dear god i couldn't even at gunpoint remember my zomb login info

08-12-2022, 08:56 PM	#14
slunken Virgo Posts: 42,781	limit reached yea ok you've reached my fucking limit guy

08-12-2022, 09:50 PM	#15
slunken Virgo Posts: 42,781	someone be a bro and post the magnet/tracker come the fuck on

08-12-2022, 09:51 PM	#16
slunken Virgo Posts: 42,781	actually don't i'm going to pout until i figure this out

08-13-2022, 12:42 PM	#18
slunken Virgo Posts: 42,781	I AM ALWAYS POUTING

08-14-2022, 08:14 PM	#20
Ram27 dumb Location: $8.6 million embezzled funds Posts: 11,367	that's VERY cool, thanks for posting love the idea of him having fuckin toodle-loo.txt on his macbook

08-15-2022, 11:07 AM	#22
NovaFritz Apocalyptic Poster Location: luna Posts: 2,721	In my body is such a great song. Can you imagine a whole album that doubles down on that style? Wasted sunsets indeed.