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09-21-2022, 11:57 AM | #271 |
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09-21-2022, 11:58 AM | #272 |
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Agree, I've never been especially impressed with Perfect. The video made it worse. The vocals are the best part.
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09-21-2022, 11:59 AM | #273 |
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lol, ok ms "maybe they were only good 'cause of the producers!!!"
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09-21-2022, 12:00 PM | #274 |
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MCIS was widely regarded as a bit of a bait & switch at the time. People bought it expecting more Zero or BWBW and got "some Elton John shit". It's one of those records that absolutely everyone bought but relatively few loved.
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09-21-2022, 12:01 PM | #275 |
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MCIS had meaningful lyrics, melodies.. was incredibly produced with incredible variety..
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09-21-2022, 12:10 PM | #276 |
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What in the name of all that is holy and good are you going on about?
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09-21-2022, 12:11 PM | #277 |
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Can always count on you for atrocious takes on MCIS
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09-21-2022, 12:12 PM | #278 |
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09-21-2022, 12:12 PM | #279 |
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Ok I listened. It’s really disappointing. The palm riff sounds like some early throw away White Zombie track
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09-21-2022, 12:14 PM | #280 |
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09-21-2022, 12:15 PM | #281 |
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I wish Billy still wrote lyrics like in Cupid and Where Boys Fear
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09-21-2022, 12:30 PM | #282 |
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09-21-2022, 12:41 PM | #283 | |
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I suppose I don't know how to completely articulate it. An Ode to No One, after a teen breakup, felt like an appropriate amount of rage. I can't imagine feeling that angry about someone I love(d) now (not saying people my age don't or shouldn't, but it's not who I am any more), but I still love the song and can kind of go, like, "Ah, yeah, I remember what it was like to feel that way." |
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09-21-2022, 12:44 PM | #284 |
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09-21-2022, 12:44 PM | #285 |
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09-21-2022, 12:58 PM | #286 |
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Wtf why does everyone hate "Annie Dog?"
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09-21-2022, 01:04 PM | #287 |
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09-21-2022, 01:11 PM | #288 | |
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People love Sam Raimi's films while acknowledging that they are full of cheese. They like his camp horror in the Evil Dead franchise, and his 2000s Spider-Man films are going to be some of the only superhero films anybody remembers well after we've forgotten about the hundreds of generic movies since then. The Smiths are cheesy. But people who didn't grow up with their music are still wearing their t-shirts. The problem with the new SP material isn't that it's cheesy. It's that it just doesn't sound good. |
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09-21-2022, 01:16 PM | #289 | |
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I feel like some fans are less about the moody, atmospheric, weird parts of the band, and their favourite SP stuff is the traditional rock anthems and ballads. When you have a band that got it's sound by having one foot in arena rock/classic rock/traditional metal and psych, and the other foot in art rock/college radio/post punk/shoegaze, they're going to have diverse fans who like them for different reasons and disagree on which songs are good and which suck. |
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09-21-2022, 01:18 PM | #290 |
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Like, imagine not liking GatGC in it's epic, moody, goth-psych majesty, but liking LMGtWtY, which is a pretty boring pop ballad.
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09-21-2022, 01:18 PM | #291 |
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Once in a while should have been on adore instead of Annie dog. It’s just a better song. If Darcy was so great at convincing billy what is right vid wrong why did that happen? Why?!?
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09-21-2022, 01:19 PM | #292 |
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Nah, Annie-Dog is better.
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09-21-2022, 01:22 PM | #293 |
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You don't need "Once in a While" when you've already got "The Tale of Dusty and Pistol Pete" and "Once Upon a Time," accoustic songs that are much more musically interesting.
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09-21-2022, 01:26 PM | #294 | |
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Corgan's murderer was Corgan. |
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09-21-2022, 01:28 PM | #295 |
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09-21-2022, 01:29 PM | #296 |
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I understand only having a finite ability to write amazing songs, but it's just so damn drastic
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09-21-2022, 01:29 PM | #297 |
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Probably because Annie-Dog isn’t a bad song. I didn’t say D’Arcy’s musical opinions were flawless either, but she clearly had a positive influence on Corgan musically.
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09-21-2022, 01:31 PM | #298 |
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The only measurable difference is too much freedom in production. But maybe the decline isn't due to a measurable factor. Forgive me for being science minded.
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09-21-2022, 01:32 PM | #299 |
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Also, even if Wretzky had good taste that served to steer Corgan in the correct direction, it's not like she was present 24/7 and involved at every step of recording and track listing. I'm sure many decisions were made without her, especially as she began to check out more toward the end of the band's run. Doesn't really make sense to go, "if Wretzky's taste positively influenced the band's output, how come THIS song was released?"
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09-21-2022, 01:40 PM | #300 | |
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"Perhaps the necessary and sufficient condition for Corgan to make good music is working with Chamberlin. But wait, Chamberlin was absent for Adore and present for Mary Star of the Sea and Shiny, so that hypothesis is refuted. Perhaps Iha is the key ingredient? But alas, Iha is back in the band, and the music still sucks. Clearly, it must be Wretzky!" Like, sometimes people have it, and sometimes people lose it. I'm sure working with certain other people positively influences the output… so long as they give enough of a fuck to even make suggestions, and Corgan actually considers their opinions. If not, they'll just collect the cheque and avoid the headache of getting Corgan pissed at them, or Corgan'll just kick them out of the band, like he did Byrne (who probably at one point said, "I dunno, why don't we do something weirder and more interesting?") There are probably a host of reasons Corgan doesn't make music like he used to, not a single overwhelming cause. |
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