Ogilala and Cotillions 90s Billy Vocals, Full Album AI remix

[Machinist]

Hi Odysee profile is still there, but none of the solo material is on it.

I hope he didn't get threatened by Camp SP. It was an interesting project - but uploading full albums of it probably wasn't the best idea from a copyright perspective.

[VoxUpDoc]

Originally Posted by srt4b

what is that song that goes. "what's the matter?" cbcbcbcbef#g

gives me those vibes

I wanna say… without checking… Purr Snickety?

Esit: Damn, Apathy’s Last Kiss - well done great_poster.

[great poster]

Originally Posted by srt4b

what is that song that goes. "what's the matter?" cbcbcbcbef#g

gives me those vibes

Do you mean apathy’s last kiss?

[great poster]

Originally Posted by Machinist

Hi Odysee profile is still there, but none of the solo material is on it.

I hope he didn't get threatened by Camp SP. It was an interesting project - but uploading full albums of it probably wasn't the best idea from a copyright perspective.

I think the odysee profile dude is a different AI uploader. I don’t think onelessmoment was on there

[Machinist]

Then lets take a moment to remember out fallen brother.

[great poster]

RIP I should have downloaded his Pinwheels edit

[yoshinobu's revenge]

Originally Posted by Ihaguitar

No, auto-tune "pulls" off-frequency notes to the correct pitch. It doesnt actually change the voice that much at all, just the pitch.

Yeah I know, by "same difference" i mean the music industry has been doing auto-tune for ages and it's been accepted for ages. (or even go as far as Vanilla Ice)

I do agree it is a bit f'd that fans prefer an "Ai"-tuned version especially for an artist as earnest as BC. But if he had access to the tech himself (or better tech) and had done this, folks would probably be loving it.

I remember studying signal processing (as part of electrical engineering) in university and thinking how in the near future something like this would happen, just before the time auto-tune got really big.

[yoshinobu's revenge]

I quite enjoyed his STRTJ mix too

https://www.mediafire.com/file/p7uhp...%255D.m4a/file

[Ram27]

Originally Posted by paranoid

Also He sang markedly different in the live versions of the 90's albums he was touring on at the time.

Like Mellon Collie era, his live voice was a lot more gutteral than what was on the record.

and it fucking ruled

[eviltimeban]

I have to say, I never enjoyed that live screaming from that era at all. I always felt he was doing it because he couldn't put enough power into the softer way he sang live. So he had to do something to make up for it.

Which ultimately led him to get lessons, and here we are.

[paranoid]

Originally Posted by eviltimeban

I have to say, I never enjoyed that live screaming from that era at all. I always felt he was doing it because he couldn't put enough power into the softer way he sang live. So he had to do something to make up for it.

Which ultimately led him to get lessons, and here we are.

There's an SD show I listened to recently where the vocals are just horrendous. You can tell he had been on the road for a while and he was starting to wear out.

[Ram27]

that's honestly what i love about live music though, hearing them play and express themselves differently because of the conditions and states they're in. if it was perfectly like the record every time it'd be boring. if you're feeling the angst as well it's reaffirming to hear him go nuts

[Rairun]

Originally Posted by Ram27

and it fucking ruled

I'll defend Billy's singing/expressiveness in the SP1 studio material all day long, but when it comes to live recordings, I find it very hard to share them with other people because his singing is just so bad. I love a good chunk of that bad singing, but I can't in good conscience expect other people to hear it without knowing the context of the songs and the band and still appreciate it. The heart was all there though.

Zwan was probably Billy at his best as a live singer. He was still very expressive, he sounded like himself, but he was also a lot more accessible.

[Shadaloo]

There's something about hearing an AI version of Billy's plaintive cry of "Take me as I am" on the Spaniards that's making me really uncomfortable and creeping me out.

[Rairun]

Originally Posted by paranoid

There's an SD show I listened to recently where the vocals are just horrendous. You can tell he had been on the road for a while and he was starting to wear out.

Imho SD era is by far the worst one for SP1 live vocals. Gish era was alright, MCIS was rough but had a charm, Adore was hit-and-miss, Machina was fine with a couple of exceptions.

Mostly, his tone when singing the highest notes was horrendous even when he hit the notes, which he often couldn't (the "na-na-na-na-na" bit in Soma was always embarrassing, he never managed to make Blank Page sound good vocally live even though the live arrangements were great, etc). I still enjoy it all a lot because emotionally there's still something there, but you have to be a true believer lol

[run2pee]

Originally Posted by Rairun

Imho SD era is by far the worst one for SP1 live vocals. Gish era was alright, MCIS was rough but had a charm, Adore was hit-and-miss, Machina was fine with a couple of exceptions.

Mostly, his tone when singing the highest notes was horrendous even when he hit the notes, which he often couldn't (the "na-na-na-na-na" bit in Soma was always embarrassing, he never managed to make Blank Page sound good vocally live even though the live arrangements were great, etc). I still enjoy it all a lot because emotionally there's still something there, but you have to be a true believer lol

Big Willie falsetto live = instant cringe

Somebody on here once suggested a modicum of cringe was an essential element of the very DNA of SP. Can’t argue, probably

[Ram27]

that is spot on

corgan being a "bad singer" in the old days way makes it better for me, it's more emotionally evocative and raw than being some manufactured perfect singer, it meshes with the energy and theme of the band better. jimmy did a heroin again i'm gonna scream my throat out during xyu

[srt4b]

Originally Posted by great poster

Do you mean apathy’s last kiss?

yes, thank you. listened to it several times in a row, great song and vibe.

[enthusaroo]

Confused why did YouTube ban onelessmoment's account??? That seems like Fair Use right?

[VoxUpDoc]

Originally Posted by enthusaroo

Confused why did YouTube ban onelessmoment's account??? That seems like Fair Use right?

People close to the band still monitor this forum.

Because we’re the real o-board, baby.

Doubt YT would contest a legal threat.

[Ram27]

you aren't allowed to post anything good on youtube, just mr beast style cOnTenT cReaTor dogshit

[djzap]

Originally Posted by enthusaroo

Confused why did YouTube ban onelessmoment's account??? That seems like Fair Use right?

no i don't think it at all falls under fair use really.

but it was manually claimed by someone, because youtube will do it's auto-detection before letting you publish.
the auto-detection will usually pick up on the music contents of the video but many times (depending on the label etc.) it will be allowed to stay up with the ad money going to the label or artist, or geo-restricted for certain regions, or just that you will not be allowed to monetise the video yourself.

so anyway, it must have passed that stage and then later been manually claimed.
i've had this happen to some of my videos of album re-mixes etc, especially the ones that get kinda more popular. for example i had one manually claimed by the Yes team for a remix I made of their 2014 album because it was getting shared a lot on fan spaces but also I noticed a lot of fans were using it almost as a way to throw abuse at the original version of the album, and perhaps they just didn't like that. A lot of my other Yes videos are still live and fine.

[houseofglass11]

It was definitely Corrine’d

[eviltimeban]

Yes remixes: Explain.

[run2pee]

Originally Posted by Ram27

you aren't allowed to post anything good on youtube, just mr beast style cOnTenT cReaTor dogshit

In this video mister beast travels the world spending 1 million dollars to try bestiality for the first ever second, third, and fourth times

[djzap]

Originally Posted by eviltimeban

Yes remixes: Explain.

https://www.youtube.com/YesEdits

Edits of tracks and some re-mixing. I was able to get the 2014 album I mentioned (Heaven & Earth) re-mix back up (and a better one than I previously had up) and they haven't removed it again. That was a weird one because in the end what I did to make the biggest impact on how the album sounded was to replace the snare sound! But I do also edit certain sections out of songs too etc. With a band like Yes where the music is prog and so sectional, you can really lop out sections that just don't work if done right.

[eviltimeban]

I don't know much Yes past Relayer. What was the issue with the snare sound? What other changes were necessary to make?

[ninsp]

I love the SD and MCIS era live vocals solely because there is passion, expression and sadness in them...saying that, they sound like literal shit.

[djzap]

Originally Posted by eviltimeban

I don't know much Yes past Relayer. What was the issue with the snare sound? What other changes were necessary to make?

For that particular album (widely panned as one of their worst) there was a lot of issues but sonically the snare sound was just so weak, it meant there was so little energy, punch or power to the album. If you give a quick listen to any original version of a song from the album you'll hear, it's the same sound throughout the album. It's a mostly snare-bottom mic with very little snare top sound, and it's drowned in reverb which just makes it sound like this little feeble snare in a massive space and makes the drum parts sound very weak.

Other changes I made were structural, shortening songs, re-arranging some bits, etc. Once the drum mix was sorted the rest of the mix didn't sound too bad. Some fans wanted a version of the album played slightly faster, but timestretching would reduce the quality too much so I didn't do that.

I generally put a full description of the types of changes I make in the Youtube description of any remixes I do because it does vary from album to album and what my goal is.

[eviltimeban]

Did you have access to the full stems?