history repeats itself

slunken · 11-30-2012, 01:41 AM

if SP doesn't put out monumental box sets like this one (the MCIS box) for both Adore and Machina the exact same thing is going to happen to billy's career as it did in the past. on one hand, he can continue the success of the mcis box (the material on it is amazing) and put out overstuffed volumes for both adore and machina. on the other hand, the following boxes are diminished in nature (gish and SD size) and the band suffers the consequeences just like in real time. after machina, calls it quits again and (hopefully) resurfaces as a solo acoustic and piano artist.

puts out folky zwan material and piano - based tfe demos

reprise85 · 11-30-2012, 01:48 AM

interesting observation

ghost-mutt · 11-30-2012, 01:50 AM

history never repeats

autumn_amnesiac · 11-30-2012, 01:51 AM

skimming through the tunes on this.
will wait for a proper leak in order to change my mind about picking up a copy.
i don't know...i've been getting back into the pumpkins knowing that with the release of this it signifies that Adore and Machina I/II are next.
Might've been the work Flood did with them or the vibes, but goddayumn I can still listen to those albums straight to the finish.
The songs and atmosphere of each album are just perfect in my eyes.
Those three are my personal favs of the band and in general.
And once those are out, I can honestly say that I don't care if billy ever puts out another album under the SP name or dies on a toilet with a cheese steak in his hand.

I just wonder what shows they might have for the Adore reissue.
I used to be heavy into collecting Pro-shots and SBD from the late era, but I never recall any info on an adore proshot. Hopefully we get some glorious D'arcy see through.

ghost-mutt · 11-30-2012, 01:52 AM

unless...

slunken · 11-30-2012, 01:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by autumn_amnesiac

I used to be heavy into collecting Pro-shots and SBD from the late era, but I never recall any info on an adore proshot.

you're insane - adore-era is easily the most professionally shot tour by a long shot

autumn_amnesiac · 02:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by slunken

you're insane - adore-era is easily the most professionally shot tour by a long shot

i remember having tv performances, but can't recall many full-shows.
maybe the australlia one, but my memory escapes me.

but then again, i am comparing it to the machina era which had pro-shots out the ass.
or at least the ones i could get from the fansite billy-corgan.org/com before it shut down

slunken · 11-30-2012, 02:13 AM

it doesn't matter

i think there's enough adore era material to rival mcis even if its just 6 different version of appels and oranjes

slunken · 11-30-2012, 02:13 AM

and the machina box set has the potential to be huge if not for the inclusion of M2 finally

TuralyonW3 · 11-30-2012, 02:14 AM

zwan archives are potentially epic

slunken · 11-30-2012, 02:15 AM

and a potential sweep under the rug because of the wealth of material from that era

autumn_amnesiac · 11-30-2012, 02:15 AM

if the adore/machina reissues were to sell, you think billy would reissue zeitgeist.

Shallowed · 11-30-2012, 02:49 AM

There's still the Aeroplane Flies High boxset² to come.

slunken · 11-30-2012, 02:51 AM

ridin' high

T&T · 11-30-2012, 05:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by slunken

if SP doesn't put out monumental box sets like this one (the MCIS box) for both Adore and Machina the exact same thing is going to happen to billy's career as it did in the past. on one hand, he can continue the success of the mcis box (the material on it is amazing) and put out overstuffed volumes for both adore and machina. on the other hand, the following boxes are diminished in nature (gish and SD size) and the band suffers the consequeences just like in real time. after machina, calls it quits again and (hopefully) resurfaces as a solo acoustic and piano artist.

puts out folky zwan material and piano - based tfe demos

fuck you
fuck you for probably being right
i hope you're not.
hold me slunken

Kahlo · 11-30-2012, 05:47 AM

Anyone remember the ADORE MOVIE?

Think we will get that on a bonus disk?

MyOneAndOnly · 11-30-2012, 07:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by slunken

and the machina box set has the potential to be huge if not for the inclusion of M2 finally

the Machina box will be fucked up.

that is a guarantee.

Rider · 11-30-2012, 08:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by autumn_amnesiac

if the adore/machina reissues were to sell, you think billy would reissue zeitgeist.

He will for the simple reason he will refuse to treat any SP2 crap like they are inferior step children.

ExitInTheSky · 11-30-2012, 11:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kahlo

Anyone remember the ADORE MOVIE?

Think we will get that on a bonus disk?

Which movie are you talking about? The Graceful Swans of Never Documentary? I don't remember anything else except that.

dustrock · 11-30-2012, 11:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ghost-mutt

history never repeats

No such thing as history.

Rider · 11-30-2012, 05:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ExitInTheSky

Which movie are you talking about? The Graceful Swans of Never Documentary? I don't remember anything else except that.

No the Adore documentary that was bragged about for the entire tour. Number #192 on the list of shit Billy talked about endlessly and abandoned.

samuel redman · 11-30-2012, 06:34 PM

didn't he mention that he and Matt Walker were planning on releasing his second solo album (the recorded 2004 material) at the end of next year?

bs1933 · 11-30-2012, 06:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rider

No the Adore documentary that was bragged about for the entire tour. Number #192 on the list of shit Billy talked about endlessly and abandoned.

Is there an actual list somewhere of all this shit? I would love to see a thread of all the random things because I know this comes up a lot but I can't remember all of it.

soniclovenoize · 11-30-2012, 06:45 PM

The project was scrapped due to creative differences between Corgan and the director Jesse Ignjatovic. This was back in 1998, and I really wouldn't put that on this list...

rolmos · 11-30-2012, 07:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ExitInTheSky

Which movie are you talking about? The Graceful Swans of Never Documentary? I don't remember anything else except that.

untr00

Rider · 12-01-2012, 01:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bs1933

Is there an actual list somewhere of all this shit? I would love to see a thread of all the random things because I know this comes up a lot but I can't remember all of it.

We have a few threads that try to collect everything, it's endless.

I'm still waiting to see if anyone can come up with something that pre-dates stealing money from people for the first fan club.

bs1933 · 12-01-2012, 01:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rider

I'm still waiting to see if anyone can come up with something that pre-dates stealing money from people for the first fan club.

LOL

IAMTHEDOORWAY · 12-01-2012, 01:33 PM

Billy had to keep himself in tea somehow.

slunken · 12-01-2012, 02:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rider

We have a few threads that try to collect everything, it's endless.

I'm still waiting to see if anyone can come up with something that pre-dates stealing money from people for the first fan club.

i thought lyric sheets and stuff were mailed out? there was an interview or post (worth digging up) with the lady that ran that original fan club and she explained how it all went down i wouldn't exactly call it "stealing money from people"

Shallowed · 12-01-2012, 03:43 PM

Basically the "send $1 to us and we'll send you a lyric sheet" wasn't Billy's idea, all of a sudden they started receiving lots of dollar bills in the mail so they sent them back at first but then they found out that it was for this fan club thing so Billy and Chris started to write up and send out lyric sheets because the dollars wouldn't stop coming.

That's what I heard anyway.

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11-30-2012, 01:41 AM	#1
slunken Virgo Posts: 42,741	history repeats itself if SP doesn't put out monumental box sets like this one (the MCIS box) for both Adore and Machina the exact same thing is going to happen to billy's career as it did in the past. on one hand, he can continue the success of the mcis box (the material on it is amazing) and put out overstuffed volumes for both adore and machina. on the other hand, the following boxes are diminished in nature (gish and SD size) and the band suffers the consequeences just like in real time. after machina, calls it quits again and (hopefully) resurfaces as a solo acoustic and piano artist. puts out folky zwan material and piano - based tfe demos

11-30-2012, 01:48 AM	#2
reprise85 BOTTLEG ILLEGAL Location: I'm faced with so many changes that I just might change my face Posts: 32,789	interesting observation

11-30-2012, 01:50 AM	#3
ghost-mutt Demi-God Posts: 361	history never repeats

11-30-2012, 01:51 AM	#4
autumn_amnesiac Pledge Location: dallas texas Posts: 123	skimming through the tunes on this. will wait for a proper leak in order to change my mind about picking up a copy. i don't know...i've been getting back into the pumpkins knowing that with the release of this it signifies that Adore and Machina I/II are next. Might've been the work Flood did with them or the vibes, but goddayumn I can still listen to those albums straight to the finish. The songs and atmosphere of each album are just perfect in my eyes. Those three are my personal favs of the band and in general. And once those are out, I can honestly say that I don't care if billy ever puts out another album under the SP name or dies on a toilet with a cheese steak in his hand. I just wonder what shows they might have for the Adore reissue. I used to be heavy into collecting Pro-shots and SBD from the late era, but I never recall any info on an adore proshot. Hopefully we get some glorious D'arcy see through.

11-30-2012, 01:52 AM	#5
ghost-mutt Demi-God Posts: 361	unless...

11-30-2012, 02:13 AM	#8
slunken Virgo Posts: 42,741	it doesn't matter i think there's enough adore era material to rival mcis even if its just 6 different version of appels and oranjes

11-30-2012, 02:14 AM	#10
TuralyonW3 Immortal Posts: 25,630	zwan archives are potentially epic

11-30-2012, 02:15 AM	#11
slunken Virgo Posts: 42,741	and a potential sweep under the rug because of the wealth of material from that era

11-30-2012, 02:49 AM	#13
Shallowed Braindead Posts: 18,607	There's still the Aeroplane Flies High boxset² to come.

11-30-2012, 02:51 AM	#14
slunken Virgo Posts: 42,741	ridin' high

11-30-2012, 05:47 AM	#16
Kahlo Registered User Posts: 17,539	Anyone remember the ADORE MOVIE? Think we will get that on a bonus disk?

11-30-2012, 06:34 PM	#22
samuel redman Apocalyptic Poster Location: You're 22 why aren't you free?You're 22 why aren't you free? you're mom and daddy's victory Posts: 4,874	didn't he mention that he and Matt Walker were planning on releasing his second solo album (the recorded 2004 material) at the end of next year?

11-30-2012, 06:45 PM	#24
soniclovenoize Minion of Satan Location: Minneapolis, MN Posts: 5,595	The project was scrapped due to creative differences between Corgan and the director Jesse Ignjatovic. This was back in 1998, and I really wouldn't put that on this list...

12-01-2012, 01:33 PM	#28
IAMTHEDOORWAY Ownz Location: Fashion is fascism. Posts: 537	Billy had to keep himself in tea somehow.

12-01-2012, 03:43 PM	#30
Shallowed Braindead Posts: 18,607	Basically the "send $1 to us and we'll send you a lyric sheet" wasn't Billy's idea, all of a sudden they started receiving lots of dollar bills in the mail so they sent them back at first but then they found out that it was for this fan club thing so Billy and Chris started to write up and send out lyric sheets because the dollars wouldn't stop coming. That's what I heard anyway.