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Old 06-20-2022, 03:37 PM   #1
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Talking a love letter to those who say "Ava Adore" shouldn't be on Adore

eat

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Old 06-20-2022, 03:39 PM   #2
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That's really a take that people have?

 
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Old 06-20-2022, 03:53 PM   #3
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that's my take.

 
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Old 06-20-2022, 04:15 PM   #4
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That's a bad take

 
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Old 06-20-2022, 04:24 PM   #5
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To Sheila
Perfect
Daphne Descends
Once Upon A Time
Appels & Oranjes
Dusty & Pistol Peter
Annie Dog
Behold the Nightmoose
For Martha
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Less is More, when it comes to j’Adore

 
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Old 06-20-2022, 04:28 PM   #6
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The only version of Ava Adore I ever wanna hear is the United Center version. Otherwise, begone.

Hard to argue it shouldn’t be on the album given the other turkeys on there.

 
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Old 06-20-2022, 05:52 PM   #7
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incredible thread

kudos to whoever made this thread

 
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Old 06-20-2022, 05:54 PM   #8
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Never liked the song. Never could get past you will always be my whore. What a fucking terrible lyric. Musically ok. But unrelateable to the extreme. If this song makes u feel anything, please feel free to get in here and tell me why im a dumbfuck

 
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Old 06-20-2022, 08:18 PM   #9
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i've gotten really into it over the last week

apparently it's capo 1 on a std guitar but i never see them play it live w/ capo

 
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Old 06-20-2022, 09:17 PM   #10
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i've gotten really into it over the last week

apparently it's capo 1 on a std guitar but i never see them play it live w/ capo
super meme material here, ramm27’d

 
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Old 06-20-2022, 09:41 PM   #11
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"lovely girl you're the murder in my world" is one of billy's finest lyrics

 
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Old 06-20-2022, 09:52 PM   #12
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the entire song is cringe, musically and lyrically

 
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Old 06-20-2022, 10:03 PM   #13
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No. It’s a great song. What they should have done was held back TEITBITE and Eye, kept Matt Walker, and gone forward with the cyber-metal album. Ava Adore would’ve fit in well with that. Daphne too.

 
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Old 06-20-2022, 10:08 PM   #14
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I like the chord progression in the chorus. Melody is OK. Lyrics are terrible. Should have been a b-side.

 
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Old 06-20-2022, 10:11 PM   #15
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the dueling guitar lead after the 2nd chorus fucking slays

some lyrics are v cringe. [various whores // be perfect just like W P C that's me!]

but I LOVE the chorus

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Dressing coffins for the souls I've left to die
Drinking mercury to the mystery
Of all that you should ever leave behind
don't know what it means but the VIBE it creates is perfect

 
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Old 06-21-2022, 12:27 AM   #16
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super meme material here, ramm27’d
Perhaps this is the most dynamic thing we have seen the Pumpkins do since big willie would come out and use a capo on landslide or in the small clip during the oceania vid where we see mike affixing a stray capo to secure his karate kid kerchief

 
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Old 06-21-2022, 12:28 AM   #17
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"lovely girl you're the murder in my world" is one of billy's finest lyrics
hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

 
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Old 06-21-2022, 04:45 AM   #18
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Is it common knowledge that it's a song about Courtney?

 
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Old 06-21-2022, 06:33 AM   #19
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Definitely the worst lyrics and theyve dated catastrophically.

An incel anthem.

 
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Old 06-21-2022, 06:47 AM   #20
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Ava Adore follows the thread started by Eye and TEITBITE. And if Billy hadn't been all about "this album is a new sound etc" it would've been seen as a natural progression for SP, and very much in keeping with the music of that time. Even Lenny Kravitz "went electronic" on his album from that year.

The more I think back, the more I see 1998 as a great year for music - albums like Mezzazine, Deserter's Songs, Ray Of Light, Moon Safari, Psyence Fiction, Yield, and yes, Adore all stand up today.

 
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Old 06-21-2022, 07:43 AM   #21
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Definitely the worst lyrics and theyve dated catastrophically.

An incel anthem.
I thought incels listen to that emo/screamo/pop/punk garbage aka the When We Were Young Festival.

 
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Old 06-21-2022, 07:50 AM   #22
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Adore does not stand up today.

 
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Old 06-21-2022, 09:32 AM   #23
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Yes, yes it does.

 
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Old 06-21-2022, 09:35 AM   #24
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More than any critique about the quality of ava adore as a song, whether I like it or not, I just think it (along with Perfect as well) are astoundingly out of step with the rest of the album. Like a titanium transplant.

I mean I get that it was done to try and "generate excitement" among the average BWBW fans, we all know how into engineering crowd response Billy is, but it just murders the vibe and the record only really recovers in its final third.

 
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Old 06-21-2022, 09:40 AM   #25
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It just makes me laugh that Corgan canned 85% of Iha's songs ever because "they don't fit the album" but then he turns around and does stuff like this with a totally straight face lol

 
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Old 06-21-2022, 10:17 AM   #26
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Ava Adore follows the thread started by Eye and TEITBITE. .
the cyber metal progression makes sense.

it doesn't make sense including it on adore. it's the wrong juxtaposition

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out of step with the rest of the album.
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Old 06-21-2022, 10:29 AM   #27
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Adore was released on Virgin.

Virgin was a major label.

Major labels wanted singles to push albums.

Ava Adore was the first single from their fourth album Adore.

See?

 
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Adore was released on Virgin.

Virgin was a major label.

Major labels wanted singles to push albums.

Ava Adore was the first single from their fourth album Adore.

See?
yeah yeah i see i see

it's like how god creates dinosaurs

god destroys dinosaurs

god creates man

man destroys god

man creates dinosaurs

 
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Old 06-21-2022, 05:30 PM   #30
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More than any critique about the quality of ava adore as a song, whether I like it or not, I just think it (along with Perfect as well) are astoundingly out of step with the rest of the album. Like a titanium transplant.

I mean I get that it was done to try and "generate excitement" among the average BWBW fans, we all know how into engineering crowd response Billy is, but it just murders the vibe and the record only really recovers in its final third.
Yeah what Adore needed was less catchy, uptempo tracks. It should’ve been longer and drearier.

 
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