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Old 01-15-2015, 01:55 AM   #181
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I'll be frank, the sudden popularity of SWANS is no doubt pitchfork related.

doesn't change what the music is, the flip-side of Sonic Youth for for folks who like shit DARK

stop acting like the band itself is the enemy, Michael Gira is nearly 60 he's not part of our fucking culture wars

 
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Old 01-15-2015, 01:56 AM   #182
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Of course. Pretentious means behaving as if one is important or deserving of merit when such is not the case... Bands like Deerhoof and Swans are nothing but art-school wankery produced by rich-dipshits who obviously don't have a passion for music as their songs are as bland as the lamest soccer mom top-40 bullshit.
you don't even know what they are

 
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Old 01-15-2015, 01:57 AM   #183
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what is wrong with art school? why shouldn't you be educated? why are you so oblivious to your own envy?

 
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Old 01-15-2015, 02:01 AM   #184
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oh and how are you oblivious to your own hypocrisy? you cry about how we're mean to a juvenile punk band for teenagers and you act like you're entitled to be condescending about something you equate to "40s mom rock" which i think is technically sleater-kinney

like if you really want to be the agreeable cool guy then follow through and stop judging stuff you don't get

 
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Old 01-15-2015, 02:01 AM   #185
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Of course. Pretentious means behaving as if one is important or deserving of merit when such is not the case... Bands like Deerhoof and Swans are nothing but art-school wankery produced by rich-dipshits who obviously don't have a passion for music as their songs are as bland as the lamest soccer mom top-40 bullshit.
i can't believe what i'm reading

 
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Old 01-15-2015, 02:01 AM   #186
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shouldn't get mad on the internet, but boy, i am

 
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Old 01-15-2015, 02:02 AM   #187
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also drop dead i still want that

 
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Old 01-15-2015, 02:02 AM   #188
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"art boy wankery"

 
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Old 01-15-2015, 02:03 AM   #189
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What's the big deal? you like the arty, exploratory, progressive kind of stuff and I like the intense, hook-laden, straight to the point urgency in music.

It's all personal opinion. I think Swans are incredibly bland and boring, but if you like them- all the power to you.

It's all just personal opinion. I really don't mean to insult anyones tastes... It simply just isn't music that appeals to me.

 
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Old 01-15-2015, 02:03 AM   #190
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shouldn't get mad on the internet, but boy, i am
he's taking the piss i mean seriously that line abt 40s mom rock is just too much

i mean they are both art school. but there's nothing wrong with art school. Sonic Youth went to art school. Talking Heads went to art school. Pixies went to fucking art school. All these were enshrined by bro rockers because they have just enough mainstream exposure for them to accept it as legitimate

 
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Old 01-15-2015, 02:03 AM   #191
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unbelievable. why would any person even try to argue about something that they don't have an iota of knowledge about

 
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Old 01-15-2015, 02:04 AM   #192
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It simply just isn't music that appeals to me.
then keep your fucking mouth shut

 
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Old 01-15-2015, 02:05 AM   #193
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I really don't mean to insult anyones tastes..
so why do you do it

I mean if you make fun of them that's one thing...if you say they are dreary, difficult, boring and etc i've heard it before

don't question my genuineness. every time i get this from you & the like. that i like bands for cred. do you know how little cred i have? i like stuff for genuinely liking it

i do mean to insult nofx because you're a grown up and that music is for juvenile dicks

 
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Old 01-15-2015, 02:06 AM   #194
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It doesn't appeal to me, but I've listened to enough of the music to form an educated opinion on it.

Musics subjective though... My opinion and evaluation of the music is obviously a polar opposite to your evaluation of it... Nothing to get worked up about.

I think NOFX is great and you guys cut it down because you don't enjoy it... Nothing different than my stance on Swans

 
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Old 01-15-2015, 02:08 AM   #195
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I think NOFX is great and you guys cut it down because you don't enjoy it... Nothing different than my stance on Swans
where have i done that?


show me, where i've done that

 
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HOLY SHIT THIS SWANS TRACK HAS ABSOLUTELY NO INTENSITY!!!


 
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Old 01-15-2015, 02:09 AM   #197
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i do mean to insult nofx because you're a grown up and that music is for juvenile dicks
See you believe this, and I believe Swans is for pretentious fools... It's all just personal opinion. We're insulting eachother based on our own personal music tastes... No ones wrong, no ones right. It's all just opinions.

It makes for a fiery debate, but it really is nothing to get worked up about.

I hate when guys get all "SHUT YOUR MOUTH, You don't know what you're talking about!" as if their opinion is the only right one.

 
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Old 01-15-2015, 02:10 AM   #198
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you call this a debate

 
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Old 01-15-2015, 02:10 AM   #199
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where have i done that?


show me, where i've done that
perhaps you haven't... But myriads of other people certainly have, and it's all been directed at me personally.

 
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Old 01-15-2015, 02:11 AM   #200
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a debate is usually fueled by informed opinions. you opinion about these bands is fueled by nothing whatsoever, except this fucking juvenile obsession/prejudice with 'hipsters'

 
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Old 01-15-2015, 02:11 AM   #201
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what's ironic is that if i said "i started liking swans in 2010 when I heard My Father Will Guide Me a Rope Up to the Sky. It took a couple listens but I started to bond with it in dare i say it a spiritual way. that record effected me on a very profound level. reading michael gira's interviews merely validated my conviction that this is a band that hits a very specific chord of my being." I'd be accused of pretending to like them before they were cool

can't win

 
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Old 01-15-2015, 02:11 AM   #202
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i mean for god's sake, you're insulting bands because of their names

 
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Old 01-15-2015, 02:12 AM   #203
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you call this a debate
yeah seriously

you say a bunch of ignorant shit to put our music down like I do to your juvenile manchild bullshit and we shake our damn heads and respond to you for no fucking reason

 
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Old 01-15-2015, 02:13 AM   #204
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HOLY SHIT THIS SWANS TRACK HAS ABSOLUTELY NO INTENSITY!!!

Jesus man, that shits grating... And you get mad when I refer to it as art-boy wankery... It's exactly what that is.

 
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i mean for god's sake, you're insulting bands because of their names
he's in a band called Monkey Piss

 
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Old 01-15-2015, 02:13 AM   #206
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Swans released their first EP in 1982 - and it sounds like NOTHING else that had been produced until that point. Absolutely no reference point, complete originality. if my calculations are correct, they're coming up 33 years of producing completely original music.


if that's pretentious, then fuck originality right?

 
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Jesus man, that shits grating... And you get mad when I refer to it as art-boy wankery... It's exactly what that is.
more fucking punk than NOFX will ever be. deal with it.

 
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he's in a band called Monkey Piss
yep, i'm done

 
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Old 01-15-2015, 02:16 AM   #209
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See you believe this, and I believe Swans is for pretentious fools... It's all just personal opinion. We're insulting eachother based on our own personal music tastes... No ones wrong, no ones right. It's all just opinions.
i'm insulting you on your fucking maturity, intelligence level, and your relentless hypocrisy you condescending piece of refuse

using NOFX as a punching bag is just a bonus because i hate that fucking band so goddamn much and it really speaks to your overall maturity level

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I hate when guys get all "SHUT YOUR MOUTH, You don't know what you're talking about!" as if their opinion is the only right one.
i think it's because you say things that make it clear that you've never heard more than a 10 second clip, but you know everything about it and are ready to say it's stupid, has no intensity, and it's pretentious because these guys with suspenders and beards like it

why do you have a fucking opinion about swans? that's what I want to know. I don't have opinions on music i listened to 10 seconds of

 
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if that's pretentious, then fuck originality right?
seriously

for someone so caught up with what he considers real and original he really can't stand it when someone isn't real and original within the parameters he sets for acceptable realness and originality

 
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