Question/rant about religion and stuff.

MADpeace · 11-08-2002, 08:24 PM

ok, so I watched this video today called "the Population Bomb", basically about how both thrid world countries and places like the US are overpopulated, but in different ways.

anyway, these women in like Nepal and India and that whole part, they would not use contraceptives because it was going against their religion. And there was this like phillipino priest guy who basically said, "If you use contraceptives, and know that they are evil, then you have sinned against god." FUCK YOU ASSHOLE!

I wanted to stick a gun in his eye and blow his convoluted brain into pieces. These girls instead have botched abortions and end up dying. Plus, those kids add to population.

so, while I don't need to go into why I am atheist, and if you did read all that I appreciate it, I will get to my real question...

Do all marriages (in america) take place with a priest? I mean, I know that they don't all take place in a church or synagogue or whatever, but are all marriage ceremonies religious? If so, wouldn't that be some huge breech of separation of church and state? Where can an atheist like myself get married?

Samsa · 11-08-2002, 08:26 PM

a courthouse

Samsa · 11-08-2002, 08:26 PM

las vegas

the REAL suze · 11-08-2002, 08:30 PM

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las vegas

Shut up, me! I know we married a drunk Indian there, but that's no reason to tell the whole world!

MADpeace · 11-08-2002, 08:37 PM

listen, a courthouse is not a ceremony...

and vegas.....no. Something other than elvis and poker chips.

Samsa · 11-08-2002, 08:38 PM

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Originally posted by MADpeace
listen, a courthouse is not a ceremony...

and vegas.....no. Something other than elvis and poker chips.

what? you said 'is there any nonreligious place to get married?' and i told you. a courthouse. you can have a nonreligious ceremony too if you fucking want. the 'ceremony' isn't the legal part. the legal part is the slip of paper. what about this don't you understand?

the REAL suze · 11-08-2002, 08:40 PM

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Originally posted by Samsa

what? you said 'is there any nonreligious place to get married?' and i told you. a courthouse. you can have a nonreligious ceremony too if you fucking want. the 'ceremony' isn't the legal part. the legal part is the slip of paper. what about this don't you understand?

Shut up, me!

jenn · 11-08-2002, 08:41 PM

you can get a justice of the peace, or a judge to perform a wedding nearly anywhere...and the ceremony doesn't have to have any religious connotation to it. unitarian ministers do them as well. you don't have to go to a courthouse or vegas...that's stupid. when your time comes, it can be just as nice as a religious ceremony- just minus the religion part.

MADpeace · 11-08-2002, 08:43 PM

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Originally posted by Samsa

what? you said 'is there any nonreligious place to get married?' and i told you. a courthouse. you can have a nonreligious ceremony too if you fucking want. the 'ceremony' isn't the legal part. the legal part is the slip of paper. what about this don't you understand?

Jesus fucking christ settle down!

what is your problem?

did I say you were wrong? I am telling you I would like a ceremony. ok? don't try act smart by being a smart ass.

"what about this don't you understand" um, gosh, I'm just so dumb I don't understand anything. please explain it to me. I wish I were just like you. jesus, now I can see why people hate you. you're a bitch. settle down alright?

jenn · 11-08-2002, 08:45 PM

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Originally posted by MADpeace

Jesus fucking christ settle down! what is your problem?

did I say you were wrong? I am telling you I would like a ceremony. ok? don't try act smart by being a smart ass.

"what about this don't you understand" um, gosh, I'm just so dumb I don't understand anything. please explain it to me. I wish I were just like you. jesus, now I can see why people hate you. you're a bitch. settle down alright?

this is how my beef with suze started...

MADpeace · 11-08-2002, 08:45 PM

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Originally posted by melancholia
you can get a justice of the peace, or a judge to perform a wedding nearly anywhere...and the ceremony doesn't have to have any religious connotation to it. unitarian ministers do them as well. you don't have to go to a courthouse or vegas...that's stupid. when your time comes, it can be just as nice as a religious ceremony- just minus the religion part.

hey samsa, are you taking notes?

thank you meloncholia, that's all I wanted to hear.

damn yer close to 5000.

Samsa · 11-08-2002, 08:45 PM

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Originally posted by MADpeace

Jesus fucking christ settle down! what is your problem?

did I say you were wrong? I am telling you I would like a ceremony. ok? don't try act smart by being a smart ass.

"what about this don't you understand" um, gosh, I'm just so dumb I don't understand anything. please explain it to me. I wish I were just like you. jesus, now I can see why people hate you. you're a bitch. settle down alright?

no, you fucking acted like because most americans get married in a church this is somehow a violation of church and state. i thought you were asking if there were any OPTIONS available for nonreligious people to get married and i fucking told you, and you jumped on me because 'i don't want to get married in a courthouse'. well i never fucking said you did. you don't seem to comprehend the idea of freedom - you can have any ceremony you fucking want. you can dance in the woods, you can go in a canoe, you can do the hokey pokey. it doesn't fucking matter. that's why i said 'what about this don't you understand?'.

Samsa · 11-08-2002, 08:46 PM

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Originally posted by MADpeace

hey samsa, are you taking notes?

thank you meloncholia, that's all I wanted to hear.

damn yer close to 5000.

listen, you fucking moron, i wasn't trying to give you ideas for a fucking nonreligious ceremony. i was just informing you that it doesn't have to be religious in order to be legal, which is what you were implying.

Suze Signature · 11-08-2002, 08:46 PM

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Originally posted by Samsa

no, you fucking acted like because most americans get married in a church this is somehow a violation of church and state. i thought you were asking if there were any OPTIONS available for nonreligious people to get married and i fucking told you, and you jumped on me because 'i don't want to get married in a courthouse'. well i never fucking said you did. you don't seem to comprehend the idea of freedom - you can have any ceremony you fucking want. you can dance in the woods, you can go in a canoe, you can do the hokey pokey. it doesn't fucking matter. that's why i said 'what about this don't you understand?'.

Attach me to more of your posts! People need to read me!

Samsa · 11-08-2002, 08:47 PM

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Originally posted by Suze Signature

Attach me to more of your posts! People need to read me!

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okay. how about you read some fuckign shakespeare while you'r eat it. wait, no. that's too long and boring.

jenn · 11-08-2002, 08:48 PM

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Originally posted by MADpeace

hey samsa, are you taking notes?

thank you meloncholia, that's all I wanted to hear.

damn yer close to 5000.

'welcome sweetie.

MADpeace · 11-08-2002, 08:50 PM

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Originally posted by Samsa

listen, you fucking moron, i wasn't trying to give you ideas for a fucking nonreligious ceremony. i was just informing you that it doesn't have to be religious in order to be legal, which is what you were implying.

stop cursing, it makes you sound stupid.

*stops talking to you*

Suze Signature · 11-08-2002, 08:50 PM

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Originally posted by Samsa

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okay. how about you read some fuckign shakespeare while you'r eat it. wait, no. that's too long and boring.

That's what I like to see!

Samsa · 11-08-2002, 08:52 PM

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Originally posted by MADpeace

stop cursing, it makes you sound stupid.

*stops talking to you*

lol. you know what makes YOU sound stupid? when you say that performing a religious ceremony is a violation of the separation of church and state.

jenn · 11-08-2002, 08:54 PM

he didn't say that, he asked if there were non-religious wedding ceremonies in america. then he said that if there weren't that would be a breech of church and state.

Suze Signature · 11-08-2002, 08:55 PM

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Originally posted by Samsa

lol. you know what makes YOU sound stupid? when you say that performing a religious ceremony is a violation of the separation of church and state.

Calm down and attach your signature!

MADpeace · 11-08-2002, 08:58 PM

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Originally posted by melancholia
he didn't say that, he asked if there were non-religious wedding ceremonies in america. then he said that if there weren't that would be a breech of church and state.

yes, but samsa's way we can continue to argue

jenn · 11-08-2002, 08:59 PM

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Originally posted by MADpeace

yes, but samsa's way we can continue to argue

oh yeah, forgot. carry on

Mayfuck · 11-08-2002, 09:00 PM

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Originally posted by MADpeace

Jesus fucking christ settle down! what is your problem?

You responded like a prick, dip. What do you expect? You're not very smart at all

Samsa · 11-08-2002, 09:00 PM

he asked where an atheist like himself could get married and i told him. and he also is under impression that the fact that CEREMONIES, which aren't government regulated, IF they are religious, is a violation of the constitution.

which is ridiculous. if religious ceremonies DIDN'T exist then that would be the violation of the constitution. the first amendment is to protect people in their free exercise of religion. it's not intended to keep people from practicing their religion. it's a totally absurd thing to say that a non-regulated government practice is a violation of the first amendment, when it's really just proof of it.

Suze Signature · 11-08-2002, 09:18 PM

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Originally posted by Mayfuck

You responded like a prick, dip. What do you expect? You're not very smart at all

That's right! Stick up for my master!

ammy · 11-08-2002, 11:06 PM

i'm agnostic or something like that, and dan's kinda buddist.. we decided to have a compleatly nonreligious wedding.. but we're having my friend's dad preform it because he kicks ass, and is ordained(sp?) ...

anyway... you can have all kinds of people do it, it's not "there must be a preist"... the only legal part of the marriage is the marriage contract/licence dealywho, the officiant is only a witness to the whole deal, like a notary public. to my understanding at least.

11-08-2002, 08:24 PM	#1
MADpeace Ownz Location: oooooo I'm around... Posts: 923	Question/rant about religion and stuff. ok, so I watched this video today called "the Population Bomb", basically about how both thrid world countries and places like the US are overpopulated, but in different ways. anyway, these women in like Nepal and India and that whole part, they would not use contraceptives because it was going against their religion. And there was this like phillipino priest guy who basically said, "If you use contraceptives, and know that they are evil, then you have sinned against god." FUCK YOU ASSHOLE! I wanted to stick a gun in his eye and blow his convoluted brain into pieces. These girls instead have botched abortions and end up dying. Plus, those kids add to population. so, while I don't need to go into why I am atheist, and if you did read all that I appreciate it, I will get to my real question... Do all marriages (in america) take place with a priest? I mean, I know that they don't all take place in a church or synagogue or whatever, but are all marriage ceremonies religious? If so, wouldn't that be some huge breech of separation of church and state? Where can an atheist like myself get married? __________________ To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 5 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. TIER SIX!!!! OUTTA MY WAY!!!

11-08-2002, 08:26 PM	#2
Samsa Banned Location: A theater near you Posts: 7,929	a courthouse

11-08-2002, 08:37 PM	#5
MADpeace Ownz Location: oooooo I'm around... Posts: 923	listen, a courthouse is not a ceremony... and vegas.....no. Something other than elvis and poker chips.

11-08-2002, 08:41 PM	#8
jenn Minion of Satan Location: new york Posts: 6,325	you can get a justice of the peace, or a judge to perform a wedding nearly anywhere...and the ceremony doesn't have to have any religious connotation to it. unitarian ministers do them as well. you don't have to go to a courthouse or vegas...that's stupid. when your time comes, it can be just as nice as a religious ceremony- just minus the religion part.

11-08-2002, 08:54 PM	#20
jenn Minion of Satan Location: new york Posts: 6,325	he didn't say that, he asked if there were non-religious wedding ceremonies in america. then he said that if there weren't that would be a breech of church and state.

11-08-2002, 09:00 PM	#25
Samsa Banned Location: A theater near you Posts: 7,929	he asked where an atheist like himself could get married and i told him. and he also is under impression that the fact that CEREMONIES, which aren't government regulated, IF they are religious, is a violation of the constitution. which is ridiculous. if religious ceremonies DIDN'T exist then that would be the violation of the constitution. the first amendment is to protect people in their free exercise of religion. it's not intended to keep people from practicing their religion. it's a totally absurd thing to say that a non-regulated government practice is a violation of the first amendment, when it's really just proof of it.

11-08-2002, 11:06 PM	#27
ammy yer mom Posts: 23,180	i'm agnostic or something like that, and dan's kinda buddist.. we decided to have a compleatly nonreligious wedding.. but we're having my friend's dad preform it because he kicks ass, and is ordained(sp?) ... anyway... you can have all kinds of people do it, it's not "there must be a preist"... the only legal part of the marriage is the marriage contract/licence dealywho, the officiant is only a witness to the whole deal, like a notary public. to my understanding at least.