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Old 11-08-2002, 03:46 AM   #31
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i mean: you gave the jewish viewpoint of jesus's intentions, and i think that a secular review of what jesus said would reach the same conclusion as to his intentions. so from a secular viewpoint, i agree, as opposed to speaking from a jewish viewpoint.
but why throw in the 'from a secular point of view'. it's not. oh nevermind. neverfuckingmind.

 
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Old 11-08-2002, 03:46 AM   #32
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Am I the only one who doesn't understand how Jesus could have had a brother? Wasn't he an only son?!
he was a first son, but that doesn't mean he was an only child. it's generally believed (well, as long as you're not a member of certain churches) that he did have brothers and sisters.

 
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Old 11-08-2002, 03:47 AM   #33
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but why throw in the 'from a secular point of view'. it's not. oh nevermind. neverfuckingmind.
my viewpoint is secular in that i am going directly from what the text says. you can have a secular view of a religious text. is this so hard to understand?

 
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Old 11-08-2002, 03:49 AM   #34
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he was a first son, but that doesn't mean he was an only child. it's generally believed (well, as long as you're not a member of certain churches) that he did have brothers and sisters.
his brother was james.

 
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Old 11-08-2002, 03:51 AM   #35
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his brother was james.
as one example, yes, but some churches will claim that he isn't REALLY his brother, but a cousin or something of the sort.

 
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Old 11-08-2002, 03:53 AM   #36
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my viewpoint is secular in that i am going directly from what the text says. you can have a secular view of a religious text. is this so hard to understand?
yes it is. because i didn't think my point of view was specifically religious, mostly historical. a religious point of view would be 'jesus wasn't the son of god because god can't have sons'

i wouldn't say a religious point of view would simply be an explanation of jesus' probable intentions. just because it's stated by people who happen to be religious doesn't make it a religious point of view. it's just a certainpoint of view believed by some jews and some historians. is that so hard to understand? the word 'secular' may be unnecessary. it just stuck out okay?

 
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Old 11-08-2002, 03:55 AM   #37
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a lot of people say the brothers and sisters are children from an earlier marriage of joseph's. because sex is evil or something and mary never consecrated her marriage. really pisses me off.

 
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Old 11-08-2002, 03:58 AM   #38
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yes it is. because i didn't think my point of view was specifically religious, mostly historical.
you said "jews think this..." and i was saying "secular people also think this..."

it was a way to point out the concurrence of two different views, those of jewish and secular scholars, and i think the use of the word secular was not out of place.

heh.

 
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Old 11-08-2002, 04:01 AM   #39
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you said "jews think this..." and i was saying "secular people also think this..."

it was a way to point out the concurrence of two different views those of jewish and secular scholars, and i think the use of the word secular was not out of place.

heh.
the way you phrased it made it out of place. or maybe just redundant. i don't fucking care at the moment. it definitely stuck out as being unnecessary. iguess because it's obvious that your point of view would be secular and even though as i said "jews" believe it doesn't make the belief necessarily a religious one so the word 'secular' is redundant.

 
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Old 11-08-2002, 04:03 AM   #40
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the way you phrased it made it out of place. or maybe just redundant. i don't fucking care at the moment. it definitely stuck out as being unnecessary. iguess because it's obvious that your point of view would be secular and even though as i said "jews" believe it doesn't make the belief necessarily a religious one so the word 'secular' is redundant.
but saying "jews believe..." narrows the range of your answer down, and specifying that other people believe it too is important to its validity. sigh.

 
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Old 11-08-2002, 04:04 AM   #41
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but saying "jews believe..." narrows the range of your answer down, and specifying that other people believe it too is important to its validity. sigh.
someone asked what jews think of jesus. i replied.

 
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Old 11-08-2002, 04:07 AM   #42
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someone asked what jews think of jesus. i replied.
yes, i was responding to someone else but when i saw you had already stated the same thing i felt redundant in stating it so i thought i'd point out that i think the jewish viewpoint is accurate in a secular way also.

 
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Old 11-08-2002, 01:30 PM   #43
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a religious point of view would be 'jesus wasn't the son of god because god can't have sons'

 
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Old 11-08-2002, 01:31 PM   #44
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a religious point of view would be 'jesus wasn't the son of god because god can't have sons'
LOOLahontas

 
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Old 11-08-2002, 01:32 PM   #45
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what don't you get? that point of view is obviously a religious one -- it has definite religious prerequirements -- a specific belief in god. why is this so confusing?

 
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Old 11-08-2002, 02:02 PM   #46
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what don't you get? that point of view is obviously a religious one -- it has definite religious prerequirements -- a specific belief in god. why is this so confusing?
I think you should have put 'an example of a religious point of view' - in the context of religious vs secular viewpoints it came across as a universal belief. But now I get what you mean

 
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Old 11-08-2002, 05:42 PM   #47
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Proof? Other than the good book?
The Jewish historian Josephus, writing for the Romans, wrote of Jesus near the time of the war in 70 A.D. He was assigned by the empire to catalogue a history of the Jewish people so they could get a feel for the people they would be handling.

Regardless what you think of him, no serious religious scholar/historian questions whether he actually existed or not.

 
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Old 11-08-2002, 06:18 PM   #48
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