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Old 06-05-2024, 09:48 AM   #1
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Smashing Pumpkins’ Billy Corgan: ‘Taylor Swift is one of the most gifted pop artists of all time’
Billy Corgan knows what it’s like to face a backlash. In Sinéad O’Connor, he says, he has also seen music at its purest

Billy Corgan remembers it clearly: Dublin Bay half in shadow, his breath catching in the cold, an excited Bono sharing a new song as dawn tinged the horizon. “I had gone to visit Bono at his house. I think I stayed the night. Or we were up all night. It was one of those types of things. And I’m an old-school fan: I saw U2, I think, in 1982 – the Unforgettable Fire tour, whenever that would have been,” the Smashing Pumpkins singer says.

“He starts talking about the new record. Okay, great – we’re just two chums talking about music. And he says, ‘Would you like to hear some of it? Because we’re having a bit of a problem with it.’ I go, ‘Sure.’”

At this point, Corgan says, Bono “pulls out a CD or tape” and explains that they need to leave the house. “We’ve got to go out in the car because he doesn’t want to wake up the family. And it’s one of those cold Dublin mornings where you’re freezing. And we’re listening. I’m listening to early versions of Beautiful Day. He’s explaining where they’re caught up and having an issue with the music. They can’t turn a corner with something.”

Months later, in October 2000, Corgan was surprised to receive a thank you in the credits to U2′s comeback LP, All That You Can’t Leave Behind. “I gave him some advice, from a guitar-player perspective – ‘Here’s what I would do to solve the problem.’ U2 is so unique, I’m not assuming my version would work for them. He asked for my advice, and I gave it.”

Corgan, one of Gen X’s biggest rock stars, shares the memory from his home in suburban Chicago, where he is caring for his five-year-old daughter, Philomena, and eight-year-old son, Augustus.

It’s a busy time for the singer: as well as the Smashing Pumpkins’s upcoming European tour, which includes an imminent sell-out date in Dublin, he has just debuted a reality show, Billy Corgan’s Adventures in Carnyland, about his parallel life as head of the National Wrestling Alliance, a sort of underdog rival to the mighty WWE. And the band have put an often volatile past behind them and just recorded an album that Corgan, their lead singer and songwriter, believes connects with the spirit of the early 1990s, when they became generational touchstones with smashes such as Today and Cherub Rock.

“There’s the old saying ‘You can’t go home again,’ right? But I thought, what if you try – would that be interesting?” he says of the as-yet-untitled LP, which was assembled by the core Pumpkins trio of Corgan, the guitarist James Iha and the drummer Jimmy Chamberlin.

“So I tried to re-create, in myself, this inner psychology that made the original records. To see if that voice was still within me to write new material. Not to try to re-create the old material but to re-create the circumstances that created some of that material. And it took a while. It was a lot of experimentation. Somehow I turned a corner somewhere along the way. I’m very excited for people to hear this record,” he says. “People who have heard it, they kind of have this almost jaw-dropping thing on their faces.”

The Smashing Pumpkins materialised in the early days of grunge, but they were never part of the gang – never comrades-in-arms to Nirvana or Pearl Jam. They were from Chicago rather than Seattle, and their music had none of grunge’s performative angst. Rather than shrieking from the bottom of their souls, their 1991 debut, Gish, drew on 1970s stadium rock and shoegaze. Listening to protean bangers such as Rhinoceros was like watching Led Zeppelin shape-shift into My Bloody Valentine right before your eyes.

In 1993 they released their commercial breakthrough, Siamese Dream, a hazy, heady alternative masterpiece, overseen by the producer of Nirvana’s Nevermind, Butch Vig. Two years later Corgan went full prog messiah with the two-disc Mellon Collie and the Infinite Sadness, a grand gesture that his label trenchantly opposed but that became their biggest hit, selling 10 million copies and yielding the singles 1979 and Tonight Tonight.

[ Eddie Vedder of Pearl Jam: ‘Music has helped me in survival, in mental health, in dealing with aggression’ ]

“They fought tooth and nail against the concept of the record. I had to fight hard to get that made,” he says of a project that he likened at the time to a Gen X version of Pink Floyd’s The Wall.

The story is “sort of typical. ‘I want to do this record.’ ‘No, that’s dumb. Why would you do that? You’re on a roll. Do the same thing. What do you mean, you don’t want to work with the same producer? What do you mean, you want to change your image? Why would you consider anything that could possibly risk the success that you earned?’”

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The combustibility … it was not musical. It was personal. We were four completely different people. And, of course, it’s worth noting that two of the four of us were in a relationship at one point
Then there were D’arcy Wretzky, the band’s bass player, and Iha, her ex-boyfriend, with whom Corgan had a rare chemistry on stage – just listen to how their guitars intertwine at the start of Cherub Rock – yet with whom he could not seem to get along in real life.

Conflict was baked into the Smashing Pumpkins’s DNA. Corgan and Iha would row or stew in silence. In 1996 Chamberlin was fired when he and Jonathan Melvoin, the band’s touring keyboardist, overdosed together mid-tour and Melvoin died.

Four years later the band split. When Corgan put the Smashing Pumpkins back together, in 2006, he did so without any of the original members. It wasn’t until 2016 that Chamberlin (now clean and sober) and Iha rejoined. Wretzky is a different matter: although there have been reports over the years that she and Corgan were about to patch up their differences, nothing has come of it.

“The combustibility ... it was not musical. It was personal. We were four completely different people. And, of course, it’s worth noting that two of the four of us were in a relationship at one point – albeit not in relationship any more. The relationship between them pitted me on the other side with my closest musical collaborator in the band, which was Jimmy,” he says.

“You have this constant tension about ‘Where are we going?’ It was contrasted by the fact that then we would go in the other room and we would play for six hours and work on these sprawling pieces of music. The musical part was our serenity and our way to make peace. Then we walk out of the room and we’d start fighting about the food we were ordering. It seemed like we fought about everything but music. That wore the band down internally. So now, being older and having a greater appreciation of what we are good at, we just keep to the music.”

Corgan has played in Dublin several times in the past few decades, most recently at a solo show at the Olympia in Dublin in 2019. But he hasn’t headlined at what is now 3Arena since May 1996, when the Pumpkins cut short a tragic gig after Bernadette O’Brien, a 16-year-old from Co Cork, was killed in a crush.

It was “one of the saddest things I’ve ever experienced. And I think it’s something you never get over,” says Corgan. “And, of course, when I say that, I can’t even imagine what it was like for the family. My heart is always heavy when I’m there. That’s one of those days I’ve replayed 1,000 times in my head. I think you dishonour those that have passed if you [don’t talk about it] ... Something terrible [happened]. A young woman lost her life and her opportunity because of a crazy set of circumstances. It still hurts.”

Back in Chicago, Corgan later got to know Sinéad O’Connor, who lived for a while with a mutual friend, the drummer Matt Walker, in the suburb of Wilmette. He had a ringside seat when the singer went missing in 2016, sparking a huge search.

“Matt played for years with Morrissey,” Corgan says. “Somehow they got to know Sinéad. And Sinéad ended up living in their attic.” He remembers O’Connor as very shy. “I’d met Sinéad once at a show. We talked a little bit, but I can’t say I knew her. So now she’s living at my friend’s house, where I go for Sunday dinner. Four or five, six times I was over for Sunday ham and Sinéad would come down and have dinner. And then I finally got to know her as a person. We talked about her children a lot and relationships in life and her struggles.”

O’Connor, he says, held nothing back. “She was very, very honest. I mean, almost to a fault. This bare-your-soul honesty. Such a beautiful woman, such an incredible talent – just in awe of her talent. Of course my friends were calling me on the side, asking me for advice on what to do with the rock star living in their attic. They love her and they’re trying to support her through a very difficult time.”

In May that year she went for a bike ride at 6am and did not return until late the following day. Police became involved in the search.

“My friends are calling me, freaking out, because they don’t know what to do ... I had an interesting inside perspective into this critical time in her life. It was hard to watch, because, you know, her struggles were real. Sinéad was honest. And if you can take anything from her passing, it was to see this incredible outpouring of love and respect for her.

“Sometimes it’s [sad] it takes a passing for people to come into contact with how they feel. People realise now that we lost someone who probably should have gotten more attention and support when she was here. Because her gift was so rare. And her gift had a lot to do with her pathos. Her incredible gift of singing had a direct line to her heart. That’s so rare in singers. Most singers are actors. Sinéad was not an actor.”

Corgan is amiable but battled hardened. He has had his own struggles in the public eye, and in the 1990s he became a punching bag for the music press. Where Kurt Cobain of Nirvana – whose widow, Courtney Love, he would later date – and Eddie Vedder of Pearl Jam were revered, Corgan was lampooned as an egotist.

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People complained about the length of my last album, Atum. I thought, Well, just go make your own playlist. Just listen to the record one time – rag over the six or 10 songs you like and make your own record
It was bad enough when the Smashing Pumpkins were clocking up hits. The vitriol increased when they tried something different, such as going synth-pop on the wonderful Adore, in 1998, or doom metal on Machina/The Machines of God, in 2000. Corgan recalls inviting diehard fans to attend Machina sessions only for several to then castigate Corgan’s new direction on a Smashing Pumpkins forum. He was being savaged online before the internet was even fully a thing.

“The advantage was we were ahead of the curve. The disadvantage was I got my heart broken on this thing a lot earlier than most people. I used to work with a spiritual teacher, and she used to say, ‘Be careful who you let on your stage.’ Social media in its early inception, I didn’t realise who I was letting on my stage. I didn’t realise that ‘angry pumpkinfan437′ lived or died on whether they could goad me into a fight. The book is well written now on the lack of social grace on the internet.”

The abuse means he can empathise with Taylor Swift, who faced a backlash from some when she released a two-hour, 31-track version of her latest LP, The Tortured Poets Department. To be hauled over the coals for a gesture of artistic ambition is something Corgan is all too familiar with.

“Let’s go back to Sinéad for a second. Now that Sinéad’s gone, would it be a bad thing if somebody turned up tomorrow and said, ‘Hey, I just found this tape, and there’s enough for 20′ – or 30 or 50 – ‘Sinéad songs.’ Would that be a bad thing? Taylor Swift is one of the most gifted pop artists of all time. How is it a bad thing that she’s releasing more music? I can’t follow that ... You can go on Spotify and just skip it.

“People complained about the length of my last album, Atum. I thought, Well, just go make your own playlist. Just listen to the record one time – rag over the six or 10 songs you like and make your own record. Why is this such a strange concept?” He shakes his head. “Have some sense of proportionality. This hyperbolic thing – ‘They ruined Star Wars. My God, this is all too much for me to process’ – it’s all a bit childish.”

 
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Old 06-05-2024, 10:11 AM   #3
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KERRANG!

Billy Corgan: “I don’t play any songs I don’t want to play. I don’t care if they’re classic or not”

Smashing Pumpkins hit the UK this week for their massive arena tour with Weezer. Billy Corgan tells us about their new guitarist Kiki Wong, learning to balance the old and the new, and avoiding the nostalgia trap…

"The UK is one of the greatest musical cultures in the world, if not the greatest musical culture in the world," says Billy Corgan.

Thanks very much. The Smashing Pumpkins leader may add with a smile that he hates "the way the media treats things", and "Can't stand the snobbishness – it's a bit much for us as Americans," but in his long time coming over here to play, he's found something special about our grey, unpleasant land.

"There's something about the pressure of the music culture in the UK that produces these incredible moments," he continues. "And hated it when I first went there because I felt like we weren't being favoured. And then when we were favoured, we were kind of treated like, 'Yeah, we're still not really sure about you.'

"But somehow, in the last 10 years, way before the rest of the world figured it out, the UK figured out that I had some value that was beyond my years. That I somehow graduated into the other class of respect. Now when I come, I really look forward to it because it's such a great audience."

This is good, because this week Billy and Smashing Pumpkins return to the UK for their first gig here since Download 2019, and first full tour in even longer than that. With Weezer in tow, and the chance to see the band with new touring guitarist Kiki Wong, following an exhausting call-out that yielded thousands of applications, it's going to be awesome.

It's not, though, going to be a ’90s nostalgia extravaganza. Taking a break from working on their new album in Chicago, Billy tells us about balancing setlists, his hopes for the new line-up, still being the odd band out from time to time, and how keeping an emotional connection to what they choose to play helps avoid becoming "just karaoke".

You're still in the studio right this minute. Again. Are you looking forward to putting that down and getting out on tour?
“Yes. It's not healthy, but I've gotten used to it through the years. Almost all the Pumpkins albums were made on deadline, like, ‘Hey, you're going on tour on this date, you must be done.’ You get used to sort of balancing out your time. It's probably because you can tinker on the album forever, especially with Pro Tools. You can always go back in and fix that one little thing, where in the past, you would just have to live with it. We've been working on this album for, I think, almost two years now. It's very much a rock, guitar record, old school. I think the old-school fans will be happy, for once (laughs).”

They seemed pretty happy with the last one…
“Oh, they were still complaining. They hear a synthesiser anywhere in that mix and they throw up their hands, you know (laughs). It seemed interesting to me, after coming off of Atum, with all that expanse, to have a singular focus, which is: let's just make a guitar record. So it's been a lot of fun, and it brought up a lot of memories.”

You've just found your new guitarist, Kiki Wong. How’s she fitting in?
“We haven’t played a show yet. We're all in preparation mode. It's a two-hour show, so it's a lot to learn, especially for her. I was following her on social media, so I totally knew who she was. We put out this call for a guitar player, and we got 10,000 emails from 10,000 different people. When we whittled down that list to, let's say, people with some form of professional pedigree, I saw Kiki's name was on the list, and I thought, ‘Oh, this is great. I know who this person is.’ It was kind of a weird thing, I wondered if she would fit in, because I knew her as more of a metal guitarist. So, we talked to her on Zoom – she's such a nice person, and so engaging – then we invited her out to audition. I think we auditioned nine guitar players that day. What was interesting about her being first in the day was we had such a good feeling about her. And then it wasn't that other people weren't as good, but there was something about Kiki's presence and personality and sweetness that we just were really attracted to. She just felt like a real breath of fresh air. We love that it's great opportunity for her. But we also think she's the right person.”

Your tour this week is your first here since 2018, and first UK gig since Download in 2019. Been a minute…
“I can’t believe it, because that last tour we did was a great tour. When James [Iha, guitar] came back to the band, we just kind of assumed that things would get easier for us in certain parts of the world. And when it came to Europe, it just didn't. In 2018 we did a massive tour in America, 40-something shows, and I think we did two in Europe, something like that, which was mind-boggling to us, because there just wasn't the appetite for us to come over. And obviously I'm putting that more on the promoters. Fans would be writing us like, ‘When are you coming back to Paris?’ And then in 2019, we felt like, finally, things are starting to loosen up, we did a bigger tour, we did some festival shows and stuff like that. And right about the time there seem to be getting some momentum going, then, of course, we entered in this pandemic era. And that seemed to just push everything back. And so how it got to be five years is crazy to me.

“I remember Download – Download was a weird gig. It's funny, there's a lot of bands, alternative bands, that play these heavier, guitar-type music festivals, and somehow we don't normally get included in those, even though what we play is in many ways heavier than a lot of the alternative bands. So it was almost like we were treated like a weird curiosity to play Download. But the audience was great. We had a good time. But it's this weird thing where it's like, ‘Here comes the band from another planet.’”

You’ve got Weezer with you for this tour. You’re not a fan of nostalgia – is it hard to resist just going, ‘Sod it, this is a total ’90s lookback, isn’t it?’
“Well, when Jimmy [Chamberlin, drums] and I brought the band back in 2007, we resisted the nostalgia thing. And we got basically beaten up constantly over it, including by the fans. But the good part of that was it kind of broke the spell of, like, ‘Look, if you only want to see us because you want to see our old music, well, that's just not going to work.’ It took me years to figure out, let's call it ‘the balance’, that's necessary.

“It's hard to explain unless you've lived it. Because there’s the classic thing where there's a devil on one shoulder and angel on the other, and the devil goes, ‘Hey, man, if you just write in these extra five songs that people want to hear, you're going to have a really easy night, and no-one's going to be mad at you.’ But that's not why you're up there. And you have to remember that there's this other part of the audience that wants to see you today. I'm not talking about you play a whole show of new songs – they want to see where you're at today. They don't want some ageing relic, they want somebody who's really emotionally engaged in their music.

“So, the key is finding out the old and the new songs that you feel very emotionally engaged in, so that when you play, the audience is like, ‘Wow, this band still care. This band still plays with some fire.’ That's the key to that. So, what I do is, I don't play any songs I don't want to play. I don't care if they're a classic or not. If I don't want to play it, I just don't play it. I don't put that on the audience like, ‘Well, I've got to play this one for you.’ I think that's kind of cheese.”

On the other hand, does having had that reaction early on mean you’ve already had the criticism, so whatever happens, it can’t be any worse?
“No, you know what it is? It takes a hot second to understand the difference between, ‘Hey, I really love what you do. I'm here out of respect, I've paid my money, I've gotten my babysitter. And I'm looking for something, can you give it to me? Because I really love that music, and I love that period of my life,’ and then an artist feeling like they have to serve something that they don't want to serve. Like they're chained to a past or a legacy. By putting myself in the audience and trying to understand what I would want to see from a band from the audience’s perspective, that allowed me to soften up and realise that maybe my position was a little too… arty.

“Here's the best way I would say it: the best show for me would be, you're a fan that really is mostly focused on the older music. You come and you hear those songs you think, ‘Wow, those sound great, band sounds great. The voice is still there.’ You feel good about your decision to come to the show. But then you might hear five, six, seven other songs, and you find yourself going, ‘I don't know this one,’ so you look up one, and go, ‘Oh, that was a deep cut from 1996. I didn't know that one. It was some B-side. That's interesting.’ And then someone making the same discovery about your new stuff, but thinking it was old. I'm not talking about causing confusion. I'm talking about having the person be curious about that. They're enjoying what they don't understand and wanting to find something, like they’ve been missing out. You put them in the position of feeling like it's theirs to chase. You're not preaching down – ‘Here's our new song, you better like it or you're not a fan.’ It’s really on the band to just play great. That's the thing that fixes it all.

“It comes from a good thing, which is that people really love your music, you know what I mean? It's not a bad thing that they want to hear songs that they love. But you can't live in the past. It's the death of any artist. And particularly in America, you know, we have a whole cottage industry here of people living in the past. And there is something to be said for when times are really tough, economically, politically, people tend to reach for nostalgia. So there's even more pressure right now on artists to be nostalgic.”

How do you go about choosing a setlist the represents all that?
“It's really about execution. And that was something we've even talked to Kiki about, that the band strives to play at a high level of proficiency. But ultimately, it's all about emotional interpretation. This is something that Jimmy Chamberlin is really very focused on. Jimmy could play these songs in his sleep. I mean, he's so good. He doesn't have to warm up to play those songs, right, but Jimmy will warm up for an hour before the show because he wants to execute at such a high level. So that in that moment, in the middle of Jellybelly, his drums are flailing, if he feels emotionally that the song needs to take a darker or lighter turn it's there in his heart to be able to do it. That's why Jimmy Chamberlin is such a great musician. And he leads us in that way, which is that if the band can’t emotionally interpret night in night out, then we're not a band. We're just… karaoke.

“And it's amazing, because we'll play one night and a song will feel very kind of bittersweet-happy. And the next night, I’ll feel like I want to cry. It's hard to explain, because it’s the same song, same chords. It's all into the interpretation.”

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Old 06-05-2024, 10:29 AM   #4
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Best pic of the Pumpkins in a long time. Gives me summer of 1993 vibes somewhat.

 
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Old 06-05-2024, 11:37 AM   #5
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startits.

the dublin article gets some facts outright wrong. who in pumpkin camp PR approved this?

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doom metal on Machina
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Kurt Cobain of Nirvana – whose widow, Courtney Love, he would later date
pretty sure she dated corgan first.

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in 2006, he did so without any of the original members. It wasn’t until 2016 that Chamberlin (now clean and sober) and Iha rejoined
jimmy was there in 2006...

& I doubt the band always got along musically.... what revisionist corgan.

 
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Old 06-05-2024, 12:17 PM   #6
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Best pic of the Pumpkins in a long time. Gives me summer of 1993 vibes somewhat.
oh now I KNOW you doin' drugs!!!

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startits.

the dublin article gets some facts outright wrong. who in pumpkin camp PR approved this?


what?

pretty sure she dated corgan first.


jimmy was there in 2006...

& I doubt the band always got along musically.... what revisionist corgan.
interviewer also on hard drugs: confirmed

 
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Old 06-05-2024, 02:44 PM   #7
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What he says and what he does are two different things.

“That's why Jimmy Chamberlin is such a great musician. And he leads us in that way, which is that if the band can’t emotionally interpret night in night out, then we're not a band. We're just… karaoke.”

So let’s not utilize Jimmy in the best way and let’s play literal karaoke versions of Disarm, Eye, and Ava Adore that rely heavily on backing tracks and have no energy and no room for improvisation.

 
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I need the interview where Billy talks about Weezer or Rivers. I want to know any of his thoughts on the pairing.

Edit: As far as I can tell, Rivers has not commented on touring with the Pumpkins, either.

 
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Old 06-05-2024, 06:36 PM   #10
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The set is split: Weezer for 1h, SP for 1h45m

From what I can tell.

Thought they were equal billing tbh.

 
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So let’s not utilize Jimmy in the best way and let’s play literal karaoke versions of Disarm, Eye, and Ava Adore that rely heavily on backing tracks and have no energy and no room for improvisation.
all of what he's saying is directed at netphoria. he's mad about the synthesizer hate he's mad about being called karaoke he's mad for playing the greatest hits. so he went for it in this interview. maybe the tour will be good

 
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Old 06-06-2024, 12:01 AM   #12
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it's so weird and funny that he knows both about netphoria and what we're currently complaining about. did he have monte whisper the commoner's gossip into his ear? corgan, the master of spiders

maybe if we complain about guitars he'll do more guitars...

 
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Old 06-06-2024, 04:29 AM   #13
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It can't just be Netphoria though, the sheer lack of any relevance or staying power of ATUM has to have played a part. That album is DONE. Finished. Never to be mentioned again. They might play Beguiled and maybe one other on this tour, but that'll be it (out of 33 songs!!)

Same with Zodeon. Anything relating to this project is now just a part of history. He's already talking up the new album and will be in every interview until it eventually comes out.

I'm already expecting the Zane Lowe interview where Zane gushes about how the new record really sounds like the old band, they've captured that spirit etc... even when it doesn't.

I mean, I'm hopeful. If there's fuzzy (not metallic) guitars, no chug, multi-tracked vocals and a good drum sound, and (it's a stretch) some soft dreamy bits, I'll be very happy. As will the majority of people here I imagine.

 
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all of what he's saying is directed at netphoria. he's mad about the synthesizer hate he's mad about being called karaoke he's mad for playing the greatest hits. so he went for it in this interview. maybe the tour will be good
Of course, the other possibility is more synth karaoke hits to prove the point!

There's close to zero chance the vocals will be produced old school style, it's been what, close to 20 years now of extreme dry loudness

 
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I mean, I'm hopeful. If there's fuzzy
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I'm already expecting the Zane Lowe interview where Zane gushes about how the new record really sounds like the old band, they've captured that spirit etc... even when it doesn't.
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Old 06-06-2024, 10:08 AM   #17
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all of what he's saying is directed at netphoria. he's mad about the synthesizer hate he's mad about being called karaoke he's mad for playing the greatest hits. so he went for it in this interview. maybe the tour will be good
These conversations happen everyday on SP reddit. Surely he's talking about them, not our dark corner.

 
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Old 06-06-2024, 11:10 AM   #18
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Blink 182 soooooo much
Zane calling the new album the best they’ve ever done. Guy is a total whore.

 
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Old 06-06-2024, 11:34 AM   #19
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These conversations happen everyday on SP reddit. Surely he's talking about them, not our dark corner.
Sp reddit loves atum and believes it has a strong concept

 
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Old 06-06-2024, 12:24 PM   #20
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Gotta say, his comments on Shuhada' Sadaqat / Sinéad were... mostly pretty nice! Of course, being Billy, he's gotta insert himself with shit like "Of course my friends were calling me on the side, asking me for advice on what to do with the rock star living in their attic," but it seems like our boy was at least trying.

Re: Taylor, I kinda wish he'd made an absurd proclamation like "I will not rest until no brick in Taylor Swift's tower lies atop another; the Swifties will be trampled until their bodies can be used only as paint; my armies will conquer every chart. Taylor Swift: get your affairs in order. I grant you three months."

 
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it's so weird and funny that he knows both about netphoria and what we're currently complaining about. did he have monte whisper the commoner's gossip into his ear? corgan, the master of spiders

maybe if we complain about guitars he'll do more guitars...
We have previously confirmed that it is not monte (whom you will recall had a public falling out with big willie soon after the Sidhartha performance) and that it is in fact Another Dog Brian who provides the weekly printouts for the Bald Lord

 
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Old 06-06-2024, 01:47 PM   #22
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No, it’s everything negative gets modded quick af. This has been my experience with most Reddit “fan” communities. The zealous, lovesick mods will not tolerate even mild criticism or disappointment

 
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Yes the Reddit mods are very ban happy and the main one Dudehitscar loves to browbeat anyone who posts something negative or something that he doesn’t agree with. They’ve been policing any recent Kiki threads there because they thinking they’ll get an AMA with her. When I said “her boyfriend was here in February posting about how she was gonna get the gig” they banned me and messaged saying “that’s not true, you’re lying” despite having the screenshots. Lol. Absolute nutters.

 
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Best pic of the Pumpkins in a long time. Gives me summer of 1993 vibes somewhat.

the placement of the stars on billy's outfit is... peculiar

 
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Is that Facebook group Sad Machines still around? Anything happening on there? What do they make of all this? Ye gods!

 
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the placement of the stars on billy's outfit is... peculiar
Nips out for peace in the middle east.

 
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star tits. please, just call them star tits.

 
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Yes the Reddit mods are very ban happy and the main one Dudehitscar loves to browbeat anyone who posts something negative or something that he doesn’t agree with. They’ve been policing any recent Kiki threads there because they thinking they’ll get an AMA with her. When I said “her boyfriend was here in February posting about how she was gonna get the gig” they banned me and messaged saying “that’s not true, you’re lying” despite having the screenshots. Lol. Absolute nutters.
clearly they were right and you were wrong.

 
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star tits. please, just call them star tits.

i don't love it but i don't have anything better, so i don't mind going with that.

astro aerolas? nah, too clunky. star tits it is. kind of fun how similar it is to straw tits

 
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who wants to register angry pumpkinfan437 as an account?

Also, BC used to read the site himself. I'm pretty sure The Pumpkin Queen (remember her?) told me herself. Poor guy. No one should ever have to read Netphoria.

 
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