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Old 07-26-2023, 08:12 PM   #31
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Again, our future is in the machines

 
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Old 07-26-2023, 08:54 PM   #32
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Also I'm not a huge fan of the line of reasoning "People prior to the 1500s generally believed the wrong thing about our universe and then someone proposed the right thing; therefore anything, untethered from centuries of scientific research and understanding, which I now propose stands just as good a chance of being true, too"
Somehow missed this, so pithy. I also am not a fan of this reasoning

But I’m a massive hypocrite because I see theism as 50/50 for similar justification, like, we still know very little, and nowhere near enough to know for sure whether a divine creator exists. It’s a binary yes/no situation. And without having accumulated evidence for either, the odds are necessarily 50%

Something like that

See what I mean. I disgust myself

 
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Old 07-26-2023, 09:13 PM   #33
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I think we're ALREADY in the machines

 
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Old 07-26-2023, 09:21 PM   #34
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Explain your strong beliefs to me. Everyone.
ALWAYS say 'thank you' if someone holds a door open for you

When people don't I just say 'you're welcome' anyway

 
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Old 07-26-2023, 09:23 PM   #35
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It's more logical to believe in God than it is to think that humans, with our bias-prone minds and rudimentary tools, can claim to understand contradictory or unobservable components of physics.

 
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Old 07-26-2023, 09:24 PM   #36
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God is a butt-loving alien

 
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Old 07-26-2023, 09:24 PM   #37
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ALWAYS say 'thank you' if someone holds a door open for you

When people don't I just say 'you're welcome' anyway
The only indisputable truth itt so far

 
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Old 07-26-2023, 09:45 PM   #38
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Why? You think we've exhausted the angles from which to observe things, or...?
No, I think saying "Well you can't prove aliens DON'T live in higher dimensions that are inaccessible to us, so my claim has equal footing with any scientific theory with loads of evidentiary backing" is horseshit

All I wanted was for you to explain what the fuck you're saying, like I can't even figure out if you're talking about up-down, left-right dimensions or parallel realities or are somehow conflating both, but at any rate you're being completely incomprehensible, and weirdly defensive about it now that, I guess, we haven't all just nodded sagely at your wackadoodle belief system you can't articulate in any way

 
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Old 07-26-2023, 09:55 PM   #39
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I'm not sure when I professed to have an intricate belief system. I'm only defensive against the unexpected onslaught over the possibility of not knowing what we don't know. And the air of superiority against an entire worldview shift being introduced with a new discovery, in a way that we haven't even measured the likelihood of because we can't observe enough to calculate it yet.

 
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Old 07-26-2023, 10:10 PM   #40
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[in the trench]

it would be so lame and disappointing if there was nothing but us.

it's simply way more fun to believe in the spiritual as well; it's nice to believe even while 'knowing' it's probably fake. the way i see it, there's so much science doesn't know yet, so many things yet to be discovered, so many belief systems have been radically changed over time, why is this one in 2023 necessarily the end of science, we have reached Truth

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Old 07-26-2023, 10:10 PM   #41
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I'm very happy to learn and to be wrong, especially about complicated math, and moreover when it is concrete. I don't need to be talked to like a moron or conspiracy theorist because I think big surprises can happen, and that what is currently considered to be "most likely" is subject to change.

I'm not out here preaching the gospel of 5th dimensional consciousness aliens, or whatever. But I hope they're more benevolent and instructive than you've been today, topleybird.

 
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Old 07-26-2023, 10:26 PM   #42
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Del. This is actually exactly what I wanted from today and I couldn't be more fascinated.

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Old 07-26-2023, 10:33 PM   #43
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I hope they're more able to convey meaning through words than you've been today

I'm not trying to be instructive, I'm seriously just trying to understand what you even said

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I'm only defensive against the unexpected onslaught over the possibility of not knowing what we don't know.
No, you said something specific about aliens existing in high dimensions and asked a really confusing question about "navigating the fourth dimension" in a way that apparently meant something to you, and you won't explain any of it—this isn't about you saying "we have no idea what's out there," this is about you saying "here's specifically what I think is out there" and then not being willing to clarify

 
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Old 07-26-2023, 11:04 PM   #44
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I'm not unwilling to clarify, I just don't have the level of detail you're seeking because a specific type of alien isn't some unshakable core belief of mine. Humanity's general ignorance to the workings of the universe is a core belief though, hence any defensiveness. I think that it's more likely there is intelligence outside of the scope of our observation, via existing within a plane not accessible to our senses (dimension, no?) than something like The Greys. This seems to have all stemmed from my overly colloquial use of the word "dimension" and the compulsion to pick that apart to the point that it completely overshadowed my actual intent.

Further, it's preposterous to insinuate that I'm somehow completely unique in considering there might be life and/or intelligence beyond our perception and ability to measure. You're too smart to play dumb just to prove your point that my terminology isn't perfect.

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Old 07-26-2023, 11:27 PM   #45
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On a wholly unrelated note...what do you all set your thermostat to? I feel like 72 or 73 is great but I have some dissenters and want to know if my preference is popular.

 
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Old 07-27-2023, 07:28 AM   #46
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Ours is at 74 these days but it gets cool for me so i'd rather bump it up to 75 or 76.

 
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Old 07-27-2023, 09:10 AM   #47
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Old 07-27-2023, 10:47 AM   #48
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This seems to have all stemmed from my overly colloquial use of the word "dimension" and the compulsion to pick that apart to the point that it completely overshadowed my actual intent.
This is what it came down to for me; I genuinely did not understand what you meant, and it definitely hinged on not understanding what you meant by that word. And I wasn't asking you to go into great/technical detail on why you thought [whatever you believe] was possible, I was asking you to just put what you'd already said in a clearer way. Looking back, I got really disproportionately annoyed about this, and I'm sorry I didn't just... like... ask without all the "fuck"s and aggression in there.

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Further, it's preposterous to insinuate that I'm somehow completely unique in considering there might be life and/or intelligence beyond our perception and ability to measure.
I don't think you are! I agree with "there might be life and/or intelligence beyond our perception and ability to measure." That's perfectly in line with my view that it's a little arrogant to assume that if we just think hard enough and measure exactly enough, we'll eventually understand everything about how the universe works. It's weird, to me, to presume our intelligence is limitless.

I just got annoyed at the "we used to believe the sun went around the earth" thing because it's used so often, among fringe groups, to mean "well SCIENCE is wrong all the time so why CAN'T the earth be hollow and filled with mind-controlling reptilians?" Given I couldn't make any sense out of what you said, I figured that's also what you meant by it. And maybe it is, and I just need to let that go.

 
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Old 07-27-2023, 10:51 AM   #49
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Also we have an insanely drafty, hard-to-heat, no-AC house, so we do 62 or 63 in winter, down to I think 58 at night, and just turn the thermostat off the rest of the year. We tried 68 the first year and our first heating bill was absurd, like we were so sure the energy company had accidentally charged us for several neighboring houses as well or something.

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Old 07-27-2023, 11:45 AM   #50
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i put it down to 73 and tommy is walking around talking about how cold it is. 75 is too hot. put on a sweater, DUDE!

 
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Ours is at 74 these days but it gets cool for me so i'd rather bump it up to 75 or 76.
I would not be able to move at 76. Too hot! Your lady is right, you need a sweater at that point to prevent others from suffering.

 
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Old 07-27-2023, 12:01 PM   #52
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Space topic was more interesting

 
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Old 07-27-2023, 12:02 PM   #53
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My understanding, from watching hundreds of hours of PBS space time, was that string theory is generally accepted among astrophysicists because the math works correctly, even if it's not testable. In string theory we live in 4 dimensions but there are other dimensions that are "curled up" that we do not experience on the classical scale (animals, planets, galaxies).

I thought the big challenge that no one has been able to solve is how to make string theory compatible with Einstein's relativity, because they both work but seem to be incompatible with each other mathematically. BTW it's crazy to think Einstein's theories are a century old and there hasn't been much more significant progress beyond the theoretical at explaining certain things about the fundamentals of existence.

 
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Old 07-27-2023, 12:05 PM   #54
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I think it's also generally accepted that there could be other realities which are stacked against ours, and (I don't totally understand this part) when you look at all the dimensions including the truncated ones, those realities could literally be millimeters away from us. But obviously they would be inaccessible and we could never test it.

Cue discussion on loop quantum gravity and the holographic universe

 
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Old 07-27-2023, 12:07 PM   #55
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i think "aliens" are here but i am not sure they are extraterrestrial beings in ships. i think they are more in the realm of faeries. ghosts, aliens, bigfoot, etc.--they're all in on it. somehow manifestiations of some kind of energy our senses can't really experience, more than fleeting glimpses anyway.

there's too much evidence of a this stuff for it not to be "real." everyone has a ghost story or a ufo story or a wisp or whatever. everyone!! how does this evidence somehow not count?
this sounds 1) like twin peaks and 2) anecdotal evidence is not admissible in the scientific process obviously. people love to see shit. I would say that reflects more on the nature of the human mind and imagination than on creatures walking among us

 
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if anyone is seriously interested, these videos are my absolute favorite shit






 
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I have watched dozens of those videos, too. Which has probably shaped my understanding in a big way, but not enough to succinctly express my suppositions. I never thought that those higher dimensions were considered crackpot, but it can be easy to get swept away in the possibilities, I guess. Since from what we understand now, there seem to be huge incompatibilities between the different viewpoints in physics and without more information we don't know if there's one missing piece or we are just totally off track in multiple ways.

 
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Then I guess you've never been uncomfortable in your own house!

 
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I have watched dozens of those videos, too. Which has probably shaped my understanding in a big way, but not enough to succinctly express my suppositions. I never thought that those higher dimensions were considered crackpot, but it can be easy to get swept away in the possibilities, I guess. Since from what we understand now, there seem to be huge incompatibilities between the different viewpoints in physics and without more information we don't know if there's one missing piece or we are just totally off track in multiple ways.
I believe this is true. No one knows how to bring together the standard model of particle physics with gravity, and after 100 years all we have are some untestable theories

 
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like he says in the video the Hadron Collider people thought they would find supersymmetric particles which would greatly help bring it all together, but so far they havent

 
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