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![]() Estimates?
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![]() I bet this current record deal was only for two albums which is why he started work on both.
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![]() The tour for those should be baffling
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![]() I bet he wants to get these albums done asap, grab the cash, and get out
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![]() 2015 is it. 2016 latest
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![]() RIP in peace belly corgan
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![]() after that he'll turn into a recluse and when we see him again he'll be brando fat
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![]() Then still no fucking Metro show
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![]() This thread really does raise a good question: what the hell is next for him? A tour around these two albums that people care about even less than they did Oceania?
Anybody know what Tommy Lee's day planner looks like? Is dude free for a ~3 month world-ish tour? Will the songs sound better than they did with Bam Bam on drums, or does 'T. Lee' trade all this hard hitting talk for ham fists? Really, though - these albums will be a commercial and a critical failure, then is the name shoved back into the closet again? |
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![]() seriously who gives a fuck about the metro show still
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![]() Billy will want to keep the name even if it's just him and a banjo solo because he can sell more tickets at even dive bar venues. At this pace, he'll probably hit that soon enough but he'll get more cash as "The Smashing Pumpkins".
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![]() I would go see a billy banjo pumpkins show.
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![]() This year. He will retire the band and never release the Momuments album.
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![]() let me be the first to say this is a dick thread. this is why netphoria = hatephoria. if all we do here is root for him to lose, why do we waste time? do we live for 260 years? no.
i hope this album does well and i hope it's good. hopefully matt walker will be the drummer with nicole on bass. this would be ideal. the last 2 reissues plop. a new website where you can download high quality shows, dvds, etc would be great. then if the 'band' part of smashing pumpkins retires, i'm good with that. billy should just go into the light like bob dylan or tom waits. acoustic belly corrigan really is some amazing stuff. not sure with the aspergury attempts at recapturing MCIS era success. every knows the old numbers will never come back. ask eminem, 50 cent, kelly clarkson, et all. the music business as it was is no longer. perhaps he still doesn't understand the internet or is deluded beyond recognition about what things are actually worth and where you actually make money. i commend billy for always attempting something new and not just relying on the greatest hits/casino tours. i think billy is reeling and tommy lee's interview about how billy was just shows us that a real drummer is what drives billy. ahem. im sure jimmy won't be asked back, but for fuck's sake, at least get matt. Last edited by herzogxyu : 07-30-2014 at 02:10 AM. |
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![]() purple is nearly impossible to read on black, jesus
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![]() just the color of your mom's nipples.
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![]() Pure speculation:
By looks of things, the 2nd album that billy is working on should be out sometime either before or after the machina reissue release. Both releases will probably free him from any contractual obligations concerning the name "smashing pumpkins." Then, while the label is on the hook still (or if they're not - to get them on the hook one more time) release the final metro show as a standalone dvd for a final big money cash grab. Then hang up the cape and cowl until the time is right. Last edited by slunken : 07-30-2014 at 05:48 PM. |
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![]() Billy will never give up the Smashing Pumpkins name. Back in the day he was surrounded by people who weren't afraid to say no to him, people who pulled him back and kept him somewhat grounded. I'm not surprised that Jimmy left as he was the only person around after the reunion who had any weight in his voice. I'm sure he got tired of Billy's "War on the fans" in 2008 as he left shortly after.
Now Billy is surrounded by yes men and only interacts with fans who he thinks would kiss his arse if he presented it to them. It's quite strange that Billy proves that the people in the band after Ginger and Jimmy left weren't hired guns by recording an album with them, then after all the touring for the album they're pretty much left out in limbo. Billy will never give up the name, he'll say how tired he is of it all until someone spoons his ego and he'll pop right back up. He says he is ready to replaced and yet he's recording two more albums with Nicole and Mike out of the team. I think the real question should be "How long until Tommy Lee says he enjoyed his time recording with Billy, only for Billy to reply that Tommy Lee is a complete cunt?" Last edited by SPumpkinsUK : 07-30-2014 at 06:34 PM. |
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![]() well that wraps it up for corrigan
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I'd have more respect for the man if he continued on with his "I'm back and fuck everyone who is against it" attitude of 2007. It's well known that Billy didn't ask anyone back apart from Jimmy despite his claims that he did. Zeitgeist was a solid album, it could of been better but so could a lot of albums. If Billy had any conviction then he'd let the name die, release music under his own name as he is the sole writer, member and musician. With Jimmy it had weight. With Oceania he let his "hired guns" produce a new album then pretty much dropped them after it was over.. I have no issues with Billy continuing onwards with writing music, I just have issues with his motives and integrity about the band. |
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![]() The Smashing Pumpkins situation isn't Queensryche's situation. Either way both bands have some guy who thinks he owns all the creative rights despite the other members contributing far more than he can ever admit too.
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Melissa and James have at some point expressed an interest if an offer was made. No offer by Billy was made. In recent news James has expressed that he's happier doing his own thing these days. I saw James solo and met him backstage, I was high on meds at the time but he was very chill and stood with me more patiently than most people I know while my friend attempted a photo and failed numerous times. Only Jimmy was asked to return! I have an interview with Billy and Jimmy where Billy said he'd invited Melissa back to the band. A few weeks after the interview was released Melissa stated in an interview that if she was asked to return she would! James would later state that he hadn't spoke to Billy for years. Billy didn't want any of the original essence and it's pretty damn well documented. Billy can say anything he wants and most people will lap it up, but there's no way he wanted anyone other than Jimmy back in the band! |
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Billy has said time and again that D'arcy and James couldn't play, yet he still recorded five albums with them and played several hundred live shows together. Billy: "Yeah they're shit, they're completely untalented, can't play a note without my own instructions, yet I'll tour extensively with them and record several albums with them." |
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