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So the conclusion at the moment is that something is going wrong with SHN -> FLAC conversion on some of the files on Linux. I will look into this. |
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#122 |
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![]() where do your flac sets of mcis demos II and machina acoustic demos come from, magikarp? and what about mashed potatoes?
did you download them as flac, or did you re-encode them yourself? |
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![]() I've not re-encoded anything. They're either from the Hub or from ZOMB.
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#124 |
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![]() Fixed it. Will compare against my FFPs.
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#125 |
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![]() Other things from the list you have that I don't:
Things that match/can be verified as good in your collection:
Undesirable:
Here is the source file for my copy of Seq. IV: Code:
The Smashing Pumpkins 1995/05/31 Sequence IV Chicago Recording Company Tracklisting: Mellon Collie and the Infinite Sadness Tonight, Tonight Jellybelly Zero Here Is No Why Bullet with Butterfly Wings To Forgive Fuck You Love Cupid de Locke Galapogos Muzzle Porcelina of the Vast Oceans Lily Notes: On this date, a rough mix of the Mellon Collie album was created, dubbed Sequence Four. In other words, this tape was basically what Mellon Collie sounded like as of May 31st. All songs were rough takes and featured scratch vocals, if any; Galapogos even featured a solo that was omitted from the final version. Apparently, Take Me Down was also recorded, but I don't have it, Sorry! |
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#126 |
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![]() yeah, but there is only one source of sequence IV to be out there, right?
isn't it most likely that this flac set is from the same source as the shn set (but worse, as the shn set must've been there first). also, note how your flac set says "Apparently, Take Me Down was also recorded, but I don't have it, Sorry!", but track 15 is there, and the fingerprints match track 15 of the shn set... suspicious. |
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#127 |
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![]() so you had the wrong ffps? (or do the ffps in the header not match the fingerprints calculated from the audio content? that might explain why TLH complains about those specific flac files... one might wonder what went wrong when creating the flac files and writing the fingerprints in the header.)
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BUT. Your version of Sequence IV is not the original circulated copy either. The original had noise reduction applied. But your copy has also had the equalisation changed using FreeFilter by someone else (Ivor the engine). I believe a copy circulates without the FreeFilter processing. |
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The latest fingerprints I've compared against are not pre-calculated. They are definitely accurate. |
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![]() The version of Sequence IV that I had and that was on the hub originally had a text file that mentioned "the twinkle effect" and a suspicion that it had been fucked with. I don't remember any actual mention of noise reduction in the lineage.
I'm painting the room I store all my old CDRs in and my stuff scattered in various boxes all over the place so I can't dig out the original if I even still have it or can find it. Seems it has been repeatedly fucked with as there are now two fucked up sets and three different text files/lineages. |
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![]() The "twinkling" is referring to the aliasing of the MP3 artefacts, isn't it? It sounds like it's been badly encoded over and over again.
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![]() That twinkling is not due to MP3 encoding. It is due to heavy noise reduction.
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#135 |
Minion of Satan
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![]() I think the twinkle is due to the fact that it has been run through lossy digital editing processes multiple times, at least twice that we know of on the version with the twinkle. So basically it's been edited and renecncoded who knows how many times.
When this first came up I was really really good at spectrum analysis. I could open a file look at the spectrum and pretty much tell you the history of that file. I don't remember anything particular about this except for the fact that it was a total mystery looking at it's plot, it was MP3 but it was ugly. I mentioned this in chat in the hub and I don't remember who it was but the person who had done the most recent round of digital fuckery on this just out of the blue happened to be on the hub and admitted they did it and promised to give me the version they had before they messed with it. That was 14 years ago. |
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![]() The twinkle effect is a typical artifact of noise reduction. Essentially, when performing noise reduction, you identify the frequencies of the noise and reduce the volume of these frequencies across the recording in order eliminate it. However, the frequency of the noise often overlaps with the frequencies of the actual audio signal, this is especially common with high frequency sounds such as cymbals, and the problem is even worse when the noise levels are high. The result is that twinkling sound.
When dealing with so much background noise it is impossible to eliminate it without introducing these other (worse) issues. Often a compromise is the best solution, instead of eliminating the noise, you simply reduce its volume. The remaining noise is sometimes enough to mask these artifacts, but make the recording easier to listen to. That said, there is a good chance the recording did go through some sort of lossy compression. The twinkling artifact is not enough to indicate this though. |
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Do you still have those tracks from the Spun soundtrack in FLAC? https://web.archive.org/web/20081012...ils/54111.html Code:
Zwan - Spun Sound Track Album Performer/Composer Zwan Format FLAC Artist for Bootleg List Zwan Index 2236 Flawless Copy No Filing Category dvd 013 Track List Personal Details Spars ???? Bootleg No Lineage CDA > WAV > FLAC Sound Stereo Notes --------------------------------------------------------------------------------- SPUN Movie Soundtrack Promo Source : Promo Soundtrack CD of "SPUN" Movie Lineage: CDA > WAV > FLAC Used software : CDex Ver1.51 FLAC-1.1.0 FLACDrop ================================================================================= !!!!! DO NOT SELL !!!!! ================================================================================= I ripped off 3 songs from the original CD. 01. Freedom Ain't What It Used To Be (Inst) (Djali Zwan) 02. Love To Love (Djali Zwan - UFO Cover) 03. Always (Djali Zwan - Patsy Cline Cover) * Noises were came from original CD. Original CD's Track list: 01. The Number Of The Beast (Djali Zwan) 02. Freedom Ain't What It Used To Be (Djali Zwan) 03. Dr.Feelgood (Motley Crue) 04. Spun (Blonde from Fargo) 05. Destroyer Of Worlds (Bathory) 06. Junkie (Ozzy Osbourne) 07. Magnification (Yes) 08. Drive (Halford) 09. Circles (Peter Stomare) 10. Nobody's Fault (Phantom Planet) 11. Love To Love (Djali Zwan - UFO Cover) 12. Always (Djali Zwan - Patsy Cline Cover) 13. Instant Repeater '99 (The Soundtrack Of Our Lives) --------------------------------------------------------------------------------- |
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I'm sure they are burned somewhere. Whether they can be found and if found are on disk that is still readable that is doubtful. |
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![]() just noticed that my long gone DVD index is intact on that so knowing it is on DVD 013 makes chances higher, again if it's readable or not still a question. Been having bad luck with that lately, these should be on one giant spindle though so odds a slightly better.
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![]() Well hopefully community seeded torrents can outlive CD-R shelf-life.
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Minion of Satan
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![]() I might have other Zwan stuff that has fallen out of rotation. I grabbed basically everything even at the point where everyone else stopped caring.
The only stuff I never had were some of those last shows that it seems no one recorded or were only recorded by Quinto and never circulated. |
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![]() Yeah. I was just looking at your list. You definitely have some stuff there that isn't circulating any more.
SPLRA is broken at the moment though, so I can only compare against my own collection. |
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![]() Just so you know, this wasn't done losslessly. |
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2001-12-13 early - Index 2173 - https://web.archive.org/web/20081012...ils/53897.html 2001-12-14 late - Index 2170/2174 - https://web.archive.org/web/20081012...ils/53886.html https://web.archive.org/web/20081012...ils/53899.html 2002-04-05 DVD 2002-12-11 - Index 2168 - https://web.archive.org/web/20081012...ils/53879.html 2002-12-12 - Index 2139 - https://web.archive.org/web/20081012...ils/53783.html 2002-12-15 - Index 2141 - https://web.archive.org/web/20081012...ils/53789.html 2003-02-05 - Index 2212 - https://web.archive.org/web/20081012...ils/54025.html 2003-03-25 VCD - Index 2159 - https://web.archive.org/web/20081012...ils/53847.html Zwan Much Music VCD? - Index 2166 - https://web.archive.org/web/20081211...ils/53871.html I think 2003-03-25 might be missing from SPLRA, and the Zwan Much Music VCD may be this http://www.splra.org/wiki/index.php?...Zwan2002-12-18 Okay. I just found a load of old files, including that Spun OST in FLAC. I'll review what I have and revise the list. Edit: On review, I only had the Spun OST, and 2003-02-15 CD:UK VCD. Last edited by magikarp99 : 06-30-2014 at 04:54 PM. |
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![]() Just wanted to jump in and say a giant preemptive thank you for putting this all together. I have so many shitty versions of half of these tapes and would love to just download it all as one package with the best versions. So, thanks for doing this.
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I was part of the triple tree, and I have the sacred and profane tour comp somewhere, I will look for it. Worst case scenario, you could piece it back together from the full soundboards of the May 2000 shows. |
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![]() Also: a big thank you to everyone for putting this together. I have long since lost my FLAC and SHN copies.
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i would kill to have the other source, as its the one i remember having first and i was at the show so this recording is the one tied to my memory. |
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but ideally, we'd like to locate the set of shn files that was shared originally. |
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