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Old 07-21-2005, 08:39 AM   #1
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Default machina 1 should have been like this....

everlasting gaze
stand inside your love
i of the mourning
try,try,try (alt.)
heavy metal machine
slow dawn
vanity
innocense
lucky 13
real love
satur9
soot and stars
age of innocense

 
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Old 07-21-2005, 08:42 AM   #2
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duh.....the machina mystery wouldn't have worked out then!!

also you forgot to ******* Wound and This Time, so you officially suck

 
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Old 07-21-2005, 08:44 AM   #3
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lol where the fuck is the best machina era song, speed kills? and the different take of blue skies bring tears? and this time? dude, that's ridiculous.

 
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Old 07-21-2005, 08:49 AM   #4
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you also wanna end the record with soot and stars

 
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Old 07-21-2005, 08:52 AM   #5
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The quality of Real Love sucks, so you have to take it off the list unless you add White Spyder. Best shitty quality song they ever did wrong. (Does that make any sense?)
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Old 07-21-2005, 09:18 AM   #6
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everlasting gaze
white spyder
stand inside your love
i of the morning
blue skies bring tears (electrique)
try, try, try (alt)
this time
home
real love
glass' theme
dross
satur9
age of innocence
soot and stars

I think that'd fit on a single CD.

 
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Old 07-21-2005, 09:21 AM   #7
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No love for Wound on Netphoria?

last night i turned around and thought i saw myself turning
inside the strangest dream of life unloved and cities burning

 
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Old 07-21-2005, 10:01 AM   #8
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everlasting gaze
white spyder
stand inside your love
i of the morning
blue skies bring tears (electrique)
try, try, try (alt)
this time
home
real love
glass' theme
dross
satur9
age of innocence
soot and stars

I think that'd fit on a single CD.
About fucken time someone gave Home some recognition

 
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Old 07-21-2005, 10:13 AM   #9
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No love for Wound on Netphoria?

last night i turned around and thought i saw myself turning
inside the strangest dream of life unloved and cities burning
If it's of any consolation, it was last song cut from my purported tracklisting.

 
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Old 07-21-2005, 10:42 AM   #10
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If it's of any consolation, it was last song cut from my purported tracklisting.
ok, i can live with that

 
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Old 07-21-2005, 03:56 PM   #11
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Default Re: machina 1 should have been like this....

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everlasting gaze
stand inside your love
i of the mourning
try,try,try (alt.)
heavy metal machine
slow dawn
vanity
innocense
lucky 13
blue skies bring tears (eletrique)
this time
home
dross
real love
satur9
soot and stars
age of innocense
ok, here's my revised list. EXCUSE the hell out of me.
this is basically all i would've liked it to be. the mystery can suck me off.

 
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Old 07-21-2005, 03:57 PM   #12
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right on

 
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Old 07-21-2005, 04:10 PM   #13
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AHHH WHY ARE THERER SO MANY THREADS ABOUT THISSSS

 
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Old 07-21-2005, 04:19 PM   #14
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because you are here

 
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Old 07-21-2005, 04:25 PM   #15
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You know what's really cool?

YOU CAN MAKE IT LIKE THAT!
YES!
WITH A CD BURNER!
WELCOME TO 2005!
STOP MAKING THESE TOPICS!

 
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Old 07-21-2005, 04:36 PM   #16
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You know what's really cool?

YOU CAN MAKE IT LIKE THAT!
YES!
WITH A CD BURNER!
WELCOME TO 2005!
STOP MAKING THESE TOPICS!
*scoffs*

 
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Old 07-21-2005, 05:37 PM   #17
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STOP MAKING THESE TOPICS!
STOP READING THEM!

 
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Old 07-21-2005, 05:46 PM   #18
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Here is my ideal track listing for MACHINA.

1) Glass and the Ghost Children (extended version with more excerpts from the story of Glass and portions of Glass’s theme)

The total run time would come to about 63:47. That would make a pretty solid album.

 
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Old 07-22-2005, 12:38 AM   #19
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speed kills
speed kills
speed kills
speed kills
speed kills
speed kills

why wasnt this on machina. i mean fucking crying tree of mercury made it (i know, that was a cheap and easily accesable example of lameness). billy should have given a real middle finger to the music industry and put out a double album. and yeah that long version of glass sounds like fun.

by the way i love the production on white spyder. so fucking distorted you can barely hear it. but it works and fits for me. anyone else relate or am i tripping?

 
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Old 07-22-2005, 12:41 AM   #20
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I like the production on white spyder, it fits the aggressiveness of the song.

 
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Old 07-22-2005, 01:20 AM   #21
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thanks dude.

i always thought it fit well with the overall overproduced sound of that era, see shattering glass, if there is a god (full), home, real love, etc. i know its not the most commercial stuff but if done well that kind of production can have a beautiful effect (at least to me). sort of like the layers in everlasting gaze.

 
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Old 07-22-2005, 01:28 AM   #22
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Machina is pretty damn good how it stands.

Bunch of quality stuff was left off though. I think as long as we all got to hear it, it's cool.

 
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Old 07-22-2005, 02:40 AM   #23
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speed kills
speed kills
speed kills
speed kills
speed kills
speed kills

why wasnt this on machina. i mean fucking crying tree of mercury made it (i know, that was a cheap and easily accesable example of lameness).
It was on the vinyl edition of machina

 
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Old 07-22-2005, 08:22 AM   #24
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I think the idea behind a thread like this, and why I support them, is that while you can make your very own perfect machina with a cd burner, you don't have the glaze of an album and production focus that kinda gives the album songs their feel. Personally, if I was in charge of the album, I would have saved the self-indulgent songs (IE, Everlasting Gaze, Heavy Metal Machine - the damn songs that mention being a rock superstar) for a b-side or sort of bonus side project and just really focused on making the album as sweet and accessible and just damn good as could be. If Billy was ever serious about wanting to "put on the crown" one more time, he certainly had a silly way of doing it.

Personally, I'd have taken a look at all the songs and produced the album ground up with this track listing:

1. Glass and the Ghost Children (chop the song before the voice recording)
2. Glass' Theme (Produce it as rocking as the live cut; Machina II version(s) lacked some of the zest this song deserves)
3. Dross (Glass' Theme goes too well into Dross to not do it)
4. Saturnine (pretty much per Machina II - Judas O one was crap in comparison - it needs to be sung like a hymn)
5. Speed Kills (none of the recordings quite captured the live version, reproduce as close to it as possible)
6. Home (none need be said)
7. Stand Inside Your Love (I think Home goes well into this and the songs sort of compliment one another)
8. White Spyder (to pick up the pace after two slowbies)
9. I of the Mourning (though with the tracks as they are, I almost cringe to put something as tangible in here as a song mentioning radio)
10. Blue Skies Bring Tears (imo, per Machina I, but maybe revamp it a little - I think Machina II version makes a great b-side, but I don't think quite does justice to the immensity of the song)
11. Wound
12. Second Half of Glass and the Ghost Children

I like the idea of Soot and Stars being on an album, but I think it works better as a b-side to be honest. Keep the rest of Machina as b-side material. This was the album I was hoping for when I paid my 15 bucks at borders - the bus ride home first listen was a little disheartening. I grew into the album, but it didn't quite do my expectations justice on that first cross your fingers listen.

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Old 07-22-2005, 08:56 AM   #25
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pale scales
glass
dross
this time
speed kills (stand inside you love b-side)
wound
home
lucky 13
cash car star
blue skies bring tears (arising! version)
with every light
stand inside your love
glass & the ghost children
age of innocence

 
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Old 07-22-2005, 09:03 AM   #26
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1. Glass and the Ghost Children (chop the song before the voice recording)
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12. Second Half of Glass and the Ghost Children
I'd never thought of this, but it's a pretty good concept.

 
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Old 07-22-2005, 02:41 PM   #27
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i love the voice part! its an awesome bridge into the next part of the song, its kinda creepy too

 
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Old 07-22-2005, 03:03 PM   #28
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1/its ok if this thread pops up like once every three months.

but not twice in a week.

2/i combined machinas with your mom last night

3/...

01. Speed kills, but beauty lives forever.
02. Home
03. Wound
04. Dross
05. Cash car star
06. Here's to the atom bomb. (new wave)
07. Try, try, try (alt.)
08. Saturnine (hvy)
09. Stand inside your love.
10. Wound
11. Go
12. The everlasting gaze
13. I of the mourning
14. Age of innocence
15. Slow dawn

i really like mach.1 bsbt but i like these a little more. SK is the hvy vers.

 
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Old 07-22-2005, 08:31 PM   #29
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I'd get rid of Home and Slow Dawn .
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Old 07-22-2005, 08:47 PM   #30
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I like the production on white spyder, it fits the aggressiveness of the song.
It sure makes me aggressive. It makes me wanna beat the shit out of B0lly 'cause I CAN'T FUCKING HEAR ANYTHING IN IT!
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