Kenny Aronoff kinda ruins the Adore aesthetic imo

[slunken]

I think you guys should keep fighting about it

[slunken]

Originally Posted by Joey Goldberg

these dorks... the NERDphorians just want something to crawl up under their covers & b sad with

well let me tell you something buddies, you could have had that

you could have had it with Chicagokid

but you fucked it all up

YOU

you ruined it now i hope you can't SLEEP & you DREAM about it

Do you think the Chicago stuff will ever actually come out? I feel like it's like Neil Young's Hitchhiker that when it does finally surface people will just be like "oh cool ok next"

The furnace of desire has completely cooled on that project. Literally no one is begging for it.

[slunken]

"now and then, now and then, the world will sing for us"

NOT ANYMORE DING-DONG!

[Ram27]

Originally Posted by Rairun

Gish is far better than Pablo Honey, but I do see it as proto-SP in a way, and worse than every album that followed during the original run of the band. The singing sometimes scratches the SP itch, but the lyrics don't really matter. Imho only Snail, Crush, Rhinoceros and Daydream are great; the rest is okay, even great in parts, but the songs often fail to do anything other than rocking.

i very much agree with part of this. it feels less...cohesive than later stuff. it's just chops and riffs. the songs themselves are great but the album as a whole is kinda eh

[ourruseoffools]

Originally Posted by houseofglass11

Incredible guitar work and Jimmy’s best drumming. Nothing more needs to be said.

lmfao songwriting>instrumental virtuosity all day....... gish doesnt even really have choruses on most songs

[ourruseoffools]

Originally Posted by Ram27

it's just chops and riffs. the songs themselves are great but the album as a whole is kinda eh

this is the exact crux of my problem with gish... i can get down with bury me, suffer, daydream any day of the week.... siva and rhino are classics........ but no song on gish is as emotionally gripping as say beautiful, trytrytry, or daphne..... not even close

[themadcaplaughs]

Originally Posted by slunken

Do you think the Chicago stuff will ever actually come out? I feel like it's like Neil Young's Hitchhiker that when it does finally surface people will just be like "oh cool ok next"

The furnace of desire has completely cooled on that project. Literally no one is begging for it.

LITERALLY NO ONE!!!

[T&T]

Originally Posted by ourruseoffools

lmfao songwriting>instrumental virtuosity all day....... gish doesnt even really have choruses on most songs

great songwriting doesn't have to be choruses
Pleanty of great music doesn't have.
If you need your music to be in the pop format, have at it. not everyone needs it, and it's not what's necessary for great music.

[houseofglass11]

Ram and Ruse are the two dumbest posters in this thread.

[slunken]

lol

[ourruseoffools]

Originally Posted by houseofglass11

Ram and Ruse are the two dumbest posters in this thread.

im glad im making such an impact

[trev]

sd > tafh / mcis > pi > m2 > gish > m1 / adore

[Fonzie]

Originally Posted by trev

sd > tafh / mcis > pi > m2 > gish > m1 / adore

M2 better than Gish? Nah man you high.

[TheSultanOfCyr]

Roustabout > Gish

[ourruseoffools]

Originally Posted by trev

sd > tafh / mcis > pi > m2 > gish > m1 / adore

goddamn this sucks

[TheSultanOfCyr]

Zowie > Gish

[T&T]

I think we should make a list thread. Netphorians love lists.

[TheSultanOfCyr]

Marchin’ On > Gish

[trev]

Originally Posted by Fonzie

M2 better than Gish? Nah man you high.

i mean it's close, they were right next to each other on my list. but 11 tracks vs 25 tracks is tough to compare. there are so many strong songs on m2.

although if it's just comparing the cr04 14 tracks and not including the 11 ep tracks, that might be different...

so cr01-03 > gish > cr04. happy?

[TheSultanOfCyr]

Maison Atia > Gish

[ourruseoffools]

Originally Posted by trev

so cr01-03 > gish > cr04. happy?

no!!!!! not happy!!!!!!!! somehow you made it worse

[TheSultanOfCyr]

Slow Dawn > Gish

[run2pee]

Fuck off talking shit on gish

It occupies a very special, unimpeachable place in the discography

There is less artifice, bravado, pressure to be profound. The lyrics are hallucinatory in the best way. You're not meant to connect with some sentiment of billie's i dont reckon. instead the lyrics are prisms through which u shine your own light. and then u see it on the wall and it's whatever u stuck through there that u get back

ya assholes

[run2pee]

Originally Posted by ourruseoffools

whats the deal with so many boomer TSP fans hating on perfect? its literally a perfect song... i wouldnt change a goddamn thing about it

ahhhh you;re tossing "boomers" now, huh

way to peg yourself a dumbass child fan, havent even experienced life yet, yet sure u can get in here and provide valuable hottake insights to us hasbeens on the music we were listening to back when we first got laid, to which we continue to listen and learn about these decades later

suggestion: instead of rendering your shallow, unscientific judgments, tell us your sp story. who are u, who who who who

[teh b0lly!!1]

Originally Posted by run2pee

Fuck off talking shit on gish

It occupies a very special, unimpeachable place in the discography

There is less artifice, bravado, pressure to be profound. The lyrics are hallucinatory in the best way. You're not meant to connect with some sentiment of billie's i dont reckon. instead the lyrics are prisms through which u shine your own light. and then u see it on the wall and it's whatever u stuck through there that u get back

ya assholes

yeah dude word, Snail is one of the best pumpkins songs and it doesn't even make any sense

[TheSultanOfCyr]

Originally Posted by run2pee

peg

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=LI7NDDQLvbo

[T&T]

flowers chase the sunshine.

[slunken]

Originally Posted by teh b0lly!!1

yeah dude word, Snail is one of the best pumpkins songs and it doesn't even make any sense

oh yea

[ourruseoffools]

Originally Posted by run2pee

suggestion: instead of rendering your shallow, unscientific judgments, tell us your sp story. who are u, who who who who

heard the hits as a kid thru parents, radio, etc... got a little deeper into them in middle n high school but didnt dive really deep until i found the song 'the boy' when i was 18.. when i realized how sick james and darcy were and that the commonplace "billy and jimmy did everything" narrative wasnt true, i then became obsessed with the lore and music of this band.. i gravitate towards MCIS and adore because to me, that is their aesthetic peak and best represent what the band is all about for me... siamese and machina feel like bookends to those two middle albums

basically a song like 'perfect' does it all for me, exactly how i want music to sound.. whereas 'snail' goes completely over my head... i have probably heard 'snail' at least a hundred times by now and i cant hum a single melody from it or recite a lyric

[run2pee]

Originally Posted by ourruseoffools

heard the hits as a kid thru parents, radio, etc... got a little deeper into them in middle n high school but didnt dive really deep until i found the song 'the boy' when i was 18.. when i realized how sick james and darcy were and that the commonplace "billy and jimmy did everything" narrative wasnt true, i then became obsessed with the lore and music of this band.. i gravitate towards MCIS and adore because to me, that is their aesthetic peak and best represent what the band is all about for me... siamese and machina feel like bookends to those two middle albums

basically a song like 'perfect' does it all for me, exactly how i want music to sound.. whereas 'snail' goes completely over my head... i have probably heard 'snail' at least a hundred times by now and i cant hum a single melody from it or recite a lyric

Nice, thanks for opening up, lossening your heart a little bit and letting us in there with your memories and dreams

Don’t worry about rushing to appreciate. Some of these albums takes a long time to hum, just remember life’s a bummer and the more it bums u out the more and more u will enjoy the various colors of guitars speaking of emotions for which there are no names