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A tiresome edgelord
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![]() What is this? A bootleg?
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Minion of Satan
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Who was wearing the flannel, for example Finding it tough to follow the anecdote/life directives/epiphany story woven together here, sorry |
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Just Hook it to My Veins!
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seasonal depression
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![]() Oh nice, a manic period, I haven't had one of those for a while
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![]() I think Ram is often pretty charitable with his evaluations of our abilities to follow his thought processes and identify the connections between one of his thoughts and the next. Maybe he thinks we have more access to his internal mental states than we do.
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![]() The concept of "finding oneself" is pretty dumb, IMO.
It's not like there is some kernel of you-ness that is already there and has been there all along, hidden beneath all the auxiliary aspects of you, that you are tasked with discovering. You don't have some essence that remains when you strip away all of your other properties. You're just you. |
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and basically denies any possibility of ever growing or developing as a person 'you' are much more than what momentarily defines you (whatever that is) |
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The fact that people don't have essential properties doesn't preclude the possibility of change over time. If anything, my account would suggest that people "develop" themselves rather than discover or "find" themselves. "Finding" yourself suggests that you've had these secret properties all along that you just have to uncover. That there's some "true" character or vocation already hidden within you that you might be able to access if you just introspect really hard or something. Rather, one's character traits is more likely to be the result of decisions made and experiences had over time, rather than some hidden gem you already have deep in your heart or whatever. You are the things you habitually do. |
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i guess we're inversely sort of on the same page. it's just additive vs. reductive. but i don't think we are merely the sum of our decisions and experiences, at all. there's so much more to it than that. in the same way that one off night doesn't define an athlete. "You" are more than what happened to you and what your thoughts are. "You" are much more than whatever became embedded into you since infancy. in that way, there is definitely something to "find", as you put it, in oneself. |
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I am curious what exactly you think "you" is if not your experiences and your biology. And if you're saying "you" is your biology, it's been changing since the second you've been born, and even before you were born. Is there some snapshot time that was the real "you"? Where does this essence or whatever come from if not consciousness? I do think biology plays the greater role in many things than anything else, but I think saying biology is destiny is even shittier than saying there's some "you" you need to find that will unlock your potential. It implies these experiences changed you in a bad way, and you've been corrupted from the original you. Even if that's true, I don't see how someone can get back something like that or ever know what could have happened if not for x. As someone with a dissociative disorder that messed with personality development, there are two schools of thought on this in the dissociative world. One is that there is an original you/true self that therapy is attempting to get back together to help functioning/meaning/lessen symptoms/etc. The other is that personality development happens over years (esp first 5-7 years) and that if it is messed up significantly in that time, there's no whole functioning "you" to get back, it's a matter of parts of self learning to work together as a personality structure. In other words, taking what is and growing from it instead of trying to put something together that never existed together in the first place. You can tell where I stand on that. And while it is sad and shitty, it's also realistic and helpful. When I first started with therapy I had someone in the former camp and didn't do nearly as well (although of course correlation is not causation). Although we are not talking about the same thing here with Ram, I do think whatever potential a person had (good or bad) is not fully redeemable as an adult because you're not the person you were during the period of potential as you were before it. So you can't discount experiences/thoughts as not the real you because you can't reverse what happened. Sorry I got off track there at the end but hopefully this makes sense. Last edited by reprise85 : 03-29-2021 at 10:39 AM. |
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![]() This is a five star thread about what you is
Let's bump the f out of it until at least we figure that part |
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![]() For the record i am sympathetic to both DK and teh bolls versions here
If i can just be the dick that yells fite fite that's enough for me, tonite |
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![]() Or, as a wise man once said, "IT'S NOT WHO I AM UNDERNEATH, BUT IT'S WHAT I DOOO, THAT DEFINES ME ARGH."
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A tiresome edgelord
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![]() I found myself. HAHAHAHAHHAHA!! Went off Facebook and all. OFF THE GRID. I'M THE INDIVISIBLE MAN. Yup, consider me found. Inner me: check. I have a penis.
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Just Hook it to My Veins!
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![]() go to sleep, ram. cut the crap.
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