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Old 08-10-2022, 05:42 AM   #61
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Besides, we must admit good ole Brian spared us the mansonian equivalent of a Knights of Malta, Anaise! or [insert any CYR song] and that's not nothing.

Thank you Brian, shine on you crazy diamond

 
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Old 08-10-2022, 11:49 AM   #62
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Anaise is a bangr bro

a proper, post-Zeit BANG BANG

 
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Old 08-10-2022, 11:50 AM   #63
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C'mon mang face the truth. You like NLMDA because it's very much OG SP in execution, Billy's guitar phrasings, Jimmy's doing his thing i get it, it's a question of lust, so to speak. But in terms of paying homage to a great song, it ain't shit.
is that why Dave Gahan himself said "we should have done it like that" ?

huh?

huh???


HUH YOU FUCKING DIPSHIT?????


sorry i uh


heh my uh dog bit my toe there

how's it going everyone?

 
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Old 08-10-2022, 03:21 PM   #64
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how's it going everyone?
Every day is a struggle, young man.

 
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Old 08-10-2022, 05:18 PM   #65
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is that why Dave Gahan himself said "we should have done it like that" ?
idk where you're getting that quote from, pal, but you may wish to know Dave has talked a lot of nonsense during is long and successful career. Heroin will do that to ya.


Now, what's your excuse for asserting Anaise is proprr bangrr? Hearing deficiency, tinnitus, Sad Machines affiliation?

 
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Old 08-10-2022, 05:27 PM   #66
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Dunno, just think it's a solid SP2 song & one of the better moments of synth incorporation in anything post-Adore, really

also, I knew you were gonna play the Heroin card. it's certainly a tempting card to not play in a 90s DM conversation much less DM and SP in the mix - I won't even fault you though you ARE a silly man, mighty silly indeed!

 
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Old 08-10-2022, 07:21 PM   #67
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For 90s Dave heroin plays the same role as Bok Choy did for 2000s Billy, a key element to be able to appreciate his poetic and you can’t ignore it just for the sake of appearances.

 
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Old 08-16-2022, 02:27 PM   #68
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the last time I saw The Brian Warner Band I was too fixated on the spectacle & divine transmissions of a certain bald nun to even care that much about the music

ultimate sign of a GOOD concert
I did think it was pretty weird to have an SP/Warner Bros. double bill during a period of Corgan's career where he wasn't writing remotely dark or heavy music. Might have made sense in 2000 or something. But it like, here's a guy who LARPs as Satan's spawn, and here's a guy who performed with a Mormon choir on Letterman.

Also, I still find it funny how neither millionaire could be arsed to hire an actual graphic designer for their tour. Does B. Warner have his own personal Monte that he outsourced this to?


 
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Old 08-16-2022, 03:13 PM   #69
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That looks like a flyer for The Smashing Marilyn Pumpkins Manson band, who do covers of both artists' work, and have to explain that to confused bar patrons every single time

 
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Old 08-16-2022, 04:03 PM   #70
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another sign of a GOOD tour: Linda Strawberry could not stop dancing

 
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Old 08-16-2022, 04:15 PM   #71
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real talk tho, that one was fun - and I was at the encore-less New Orleans show

 
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Old 08-16-2022, 06:09 PM   #72
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Was a good show tho.

 
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Old 08-16-2022, 08:06 PM   #73
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The reviews I saw in the music press were praising Corgan's set and shitting on Warner's performance. A testament to the fact that every artist reaches an age where drugs make their music worse and it's not doing drugs that makes them better.

 
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Old 08-16-2022, 09:45 PM   #74
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Wasn't aware that Depp was part of this group of friends

 
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Old 08-16-2022, 11:59 PM   #75
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Old 08-17-2022, 07:32 PM   #76
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lol james

 
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Old 08-17-2022, 07:55 PM   #77
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nothing is greater than james being unamused by such decadence

 
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Old 08-17-2022, 11:09 PM   #78
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james knew the vibe was off

 
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Old 08-18-2022, 03:54 AM   #79
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i like how he keeps saying "we did this" "we did that", but with Jim also being out of the band, it's just him and maybe d'arcy losing their mind doing drugs

i wonder what the blue pills were?

 
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Old 08-18-2022, 10:06 AM   #80
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real talk tho, that one was fun - and I was at the encore-less New Orleans show
Really? I actually consider that tour the worst Smashing Pumpkins show I have attended. Having Jimmy back was cool, but the band felt so dead. The Mike Byrne show I saw in 2013 was more exciting. It was funny to see Billy clear the house after "1979" by playing "Run2Me".

 
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Old 08-18-2022, 12:43 PM   #81
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Said this on another thread recently but the Mercenary Pumpkins lineup from 2014 has to have been the most desperate era for the band across its whole lifespan. Sure, was cool swing Wilkie on stage with Bill, and Jeff was still there at least, but nothing has felt as hollow as that era. At least in the Oceania lineup everyone felt like they had some semblance of an identity - Jeff had the cool noodly solo here and there (his modal mixture soloing on Quasar is honestly probably the best part of that song), Nicole’s bass playing was really technical and busy in a way Pumpkins bass work never had been beforehand, and young Michael got his time to shine in Black Diamond, possibly the greatest thing a member of the Pumpkins alumni had ever done before the release of the LEGO Movie’s Everything is Awesome.

Elsewhere, Ginger had a knack for really cool improv bass work as displayed in the DVD performance of Gossamer, and the aforementioned LEGO Lisa’s organ playing brought a dynamic to the band not seen since King Gar and Bongobeater Aron & Company during the Adore era.

The 2014 lineup showed no such flair. By the numbers bass and drum parts, The Everlasting Gaze played in standard, absent stage presence, United States played in standard, all working to just make that whole era comparatively naff. They didn’t even play Walking Shade.

 
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Old 08-18-2022, 01:06 PM   #82
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Said this on another thread recently but the Mercenary Pumpkins lineup from 2014 has to have been the most desperate era for the band across its whole lifespan. Sure, was cool swing Wilkie on stage with Bill, and Jeff was still there at least, but nothing has felt as hollow as that era. At least in the Oceania lineup everyone felt like they had some semblance of an identity - Jeff had the cool noodly solo here and there (his modal mixture soloing on Quasar is honestly probably the best part of that song), Nicole’s bass playing was really technical and busy in a way Pumpkins bass work never had been beforehand, and young Michael got his time to shine in Black Diamond, possibly the greatest thing a member of the Pumpkins alumni had ever done before the release of the LEGO Movie’s Everything is Awesome.

Elsewhere, Ginger had a knack for really cool improv bass work as displayed in the DVD performance of Gossamer, and the aforementioned LEGO Lisa’s organ playing brought a dynamic to the band not seen since King Gar and Bongobeater Aron & Company during the Adore era.

The 2014 lineup showed no such flair. By the numbers bass and drum parts, The Everlasting Gaze played in standard, absent stage presence, United States played in standard, all working to just make that whole era comparatively naff. They didn’t even play Walking Shade.
I always overlook that Wilk/Stoermer lineup. That was definitely rock bottom. Byrne, for all his difficulties with the band, at least made some amount of sense. He wore his Jimmy influence on his sleeve. Wilk, in particular, was such a poor choice and was so clearly Billy trying to milk any kind of press he could. I could even have understood Wilk if it was something like the Adore tour were the band played new songs and heavily reworked old songs, but like you said, it was just completely emotionless rush throughs of old material. Hearing a drummer like Wilk try to drum to something like "Silverfuck" or "United States"...it was such a poor fit (and I like Wilk as a drummer generally).

 
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Old 08-18-2022, 01:10 PM   #83
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look guys i'll shoot ya straight

it was my first SP concert and I was mostly just stoked to have that time be featuring Jimmy

also met a couple of fellow fans pre-show who conspired to sneak to the front w/ me - lo & behold, we pulled it off

 
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Old 08-18-2022, 01:15 PM   #84
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i'm 15 y.o.

 
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i like how he keeps saying "we did this" "we did that", but with Jim also being out of the band, it's just him and maybe d'arcy losing their mind doing drugs

i wonder what the blue pills were?
either 30 mg oxycodone or 1mg xanax

probably xanax, 30mg oxy is a lot for someone without tolerance and would probably make you nauseated. also i'd associate 'messy' with benzos more than opioids. if he was describing opioids it would probably be more about the euphoria.

30 mg oxys were always called 'blues' while 1mg xanax were always called footballs (because of the shape) - in the 2000/2010s. not sure about the 90s. both are little blue pills. very very likely it was one of these.

don't do drugs kids

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Byrne, for all his difficulties with the band, at least made some amount of sense. He wore his Jimmy influence on his sleeve.
Furthermore, for all that it could be argued that Byrne wasn't a 'good fit' for the band, I implore everyone to watch this if ye haven't seen it yet:

https://youtu.be/OOIHhG4croE

Bearcubbin'! live vid. Dude is on fire the whole time, very very nice. Those last forty seconds in particular are massive. When Bill's not forcing him to try and be Jimmy this guy's capable of some of the most interesting drumming I've heard in math rock. I think people complained about Oceania because he was a very 'busy' drummer, but in this scenario where that's basically the whole deal it's absolutely incredible.

 
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seeing bryne say 'perfect pussy' will haunt my dreams

but completely agree with the above drumming analysis. 3:05 fucking slams

 
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either 30 mg oxycodone or 1mg xanax

probably xanax, 30mg oxy is a lot for someone without tolerance and would probably make you nauseated. also i'd associate 'messy' with benzos more than opioids. if he was describing opioids it would probably be more about the euphoria.

30 mg oxys were always called 'blues' while 1mg xanax were always called footballs (because of the shape) - in the 2000/2010s. not sure about the 90s. both are little blue pills. very very likely it was one of these.

don't do drugs kids
there's a later interview where he confirms they were "muscle relaxers" so I can support this science

 
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Furthermore, for all that it could be argued that Byrne wasn't a 'good fit' for the band, I implore everyone to watch this if ye haven't seen it yet:

https://youtu.be/OOIHhG4croE

Bearcubbin'! live vid. Dude is on fire the whole time, very very nice. Those last forty seconds in particular are massive. When Bill's not forcing him to try and be Jimmy this guy's capable of some of the most interesting drumming I've heard in math rock. I think people complained about Oceania because he was a very 'busy' drummer, but in this scenario where that's basically the whole deal it's absolutely incredible.
i mean it can be implied that his years of touring with the pumpkins made him much more skillful to get to this point.. but goddamn he sounds fuckin good here

 
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either 30 mg oxycodone or 1mg xanax

probably xanax, 30mg oxy is a lot for someone without tolerance and would probably make you nauseated. also i'd associate 'messy' with benzos more than opioids. if he was describing opioids it would probably be more about the euphoria.

30 mg oxys were always called 'blues' while 1mg xanax were always called footballs (because of the shape) - in the 2000/2010s. not sure about the 90s. both are little blue pills. very very likely it was one of these.

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there's a later interview where he confirms they were "muscle relaxers" so I can support this science
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Good work detectives

I seem to remember the quote "downers are like speed to my system" from bc, is that even a thing?

 
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