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Old 11-28-2022, 12:56 AM   #31
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You don't think people can reconcile after a bad falling out and not speaking for a long time?
From a professional standpoint, I think they could.

But in that interview from the ringer from the first reunion tour with James, they all say they are not friends, but coworkers. That makes me think itís all about the money for James. Not that I fault him for it. Dudes gotta eat.

 
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Old 11-28-2022, 12:59 AM   #32
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I think James now accepts that Billy is Billy and Billy is gonna Billy. And looking at the bigger picture James probably realizes that SP is his legacy too.

 
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Old 11-28-2022, 01:05 AM   #33
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they're all in it for the money. at this point in their careers there's nothing wrong with that.

 
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Old 11-28-2022, 03:28 AM   #34
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Old 11-28-2022, 03:29 AM   #35
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Though I'm sure at this point James is able to compartmentalize and deal with it for the sake of that $$

 
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Old 11-28-2022, 03:35 AM   #36
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Though I'm sure at this point James is able to compartmentalize and deal with it for the sake of that $$
The last couple shows I saw he seemed to be having genuine fun. Laughing and smiling with billy a lot, etc. I believe there is friendship there.. and Iím sure the intense history is also not forgotten. They all seem grown up and happy to be doing it, and happy to be cashing those sweet checks.

 
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Old 11-28-2022, 04:56 AM   #37
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I thought it was publicly known tha Pajo was fucking Bjorn's gf during the recordings of MSoTS. As far as I know, there was some drama also involving Linda + Pajo + Paz + Matt.

 
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Old 11-28-2022, 04:58 AM   #38
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Billy still sounds like an asshole, folks.

Taking the colouring book, talking shit in the press, not taking Paz’s calls etc.

Bill’s beef with Pajo was real, we know that from Pajo himself.

 
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Old 11-28-2022, 05:06 AM   #39
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I thought it was publicly known tha Pajo was fucking Bjorn's gf during the recordings of MSoTS. As far as I know, there was some drama also involving Linda + Pajo + Paz + Matt.
Yeah I had heard about Pajo with the producers girlfriend, never him with the producer.

 
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Old 11-28-2022, 05:53 AM   #40
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Taking the colouring book
What a dick move. Dude is an antique collector and he mysteriously "loses" a prized book? Suurrreee.

Forget the Gish Strat, let's get Paz's book back.

 
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Old 11-28-2022, 05:55 AM   #41
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Oh well I forgot to type that bit first haha
He didn't sleep with BT, he slept with his gf lol.

 
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Old 11-28-2022, 06:33 AM   #42
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Man, at this point, James really has to be in it just for the money right? Thereís no way 17 years after he left the pumpkins for Billy being an asshole, he suddenly decided he missed him, Iím guessing.

Is there any indication at all that James was in the studio for Atum?

Paz seems cool. Too bad she fell for a dingus like Pajo
Would you want to be associated with CYR and ATUM in a potential post-SP career? Neither does he.

He's living in LA, glad he doesn't have to deal with WPC on a daily basis except for a very well paid tour every now and then.

 
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Old 11-28-2022, 09:23 AM   #43
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Man, at this point, James really has to be in it just for the money right? Thereís no way 17 years after he left the pumpkins for Billy being an asshole, he suddenly decided he missed him, Iím guessing.
the members returning after Monuments is 100% about the money and always has been, but i'd always thought that was really obvious

 
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Old 11-28-2022, 09:34 AM   #44
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Billy gonna Billy means James knows his input on the album is always up for the chopping block. It probably used to hurt his ego, but I'm certain he knows by now that "james and jimmy are on the ablum" are selling points for the $$ and he might get 2 notes in, but it's a big WHATEVER.

they're not going to change the world. it's just a rock band. the delusion of "i'm going to do something important" has loooooong faded away. and rightly so.

 
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Old 11-28-2022, 11:22 AM   #45
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they returned after Monuments because of the absolute bangers contained within that album and collectively decided "our boy is back"

hell they'd probably do it pro bono if his next 2 records weren't Shiny & CYR!

 
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Old 11-28-2022, 11:49 AM   #46
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my nugget of value from this is that Billy is still into art and that he's into Henry Darger. I totally dig Darger and always saw some of the MCIS cutout artwork as link - but then again so is LOTS of stuff that is collage....

I wish billy talked about art instead of wrestling.

 
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Old 11-28-2022, 11:59 AM   #47
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can someone please explain their aesthetic to me

 
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Old 11-28-2022, 12:00 PM   #48
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This might be the most James Iha way possible of telling someone to stay the fuck away.

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I didn’t know if I was going to join Zwan or not. James Iha joined A Perfect Circle. We did a little switcharoo. He’s kind of passing by and going, “[Whispering] I wouldn’t maybe be doing that.” A lot of people were like, “Be careful.”
I really have nothing but respect for Iha. Dude probably left the band in 2000 with nothing but resentment at how horrible Billy was but kept absolutely quiet and never said anything bad about Billy or TSP while Billy went out of his way to rag on James at every opportunity. Iha won the "war". He kept his dignity, and the second he stepped back in the band, they got opportunities that SP 2.0 never got.

 
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Old 11-28-2022, 12:10 PM   #49
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ok this one goes hard

 
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Old 11-28-2022, 02:11 PM   #50
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Though I'm sure at this point James is able to compartmentalize and deal with it for the sake of that $$
It had to be sweet for James when Billy finally realized that even minimal studio contributions from James and his involvement on tours meant more $$$. Good for James - living the sweet life in LA and playing music when he feels like it. I'd love to hear another solo album ...

 
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Old 11-28-2022, 02:15 PM   #51
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We need a Paz Facebook post on the SP page ala D'arcy and the rat bass.

"WHERE'S THE COLORING BOOK BILLY? IT'S CRIMINAL NEGLIGENCE!"

 
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Old 11-28-2022, 02:27 PM   #52
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It had to be sweet for James when Billy finally realized that even minimal studio contributions from James and his involvement on tours meant more $$$. Good for James - living the sweet life in LA and playing music when he feels like it. I'd love to hear another solo album ...
Exactly! We would never get Cyr and ATUM without James...

 
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Old 11-28-2022, 03:43 PM   #53
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Meh this is just part of the weird "push pull" viral marketing campaign.

 
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Old 11-28-2022, 03:44 PM   #54
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my nugget of value from this is that Billy is still into art and that he's into Henry Darger. I totally dig Darger and always saw some of the MCIS cutout artwork as link - but then again so is LOTS of stuff that is collage....

I wish billy talked about art instead of wrestling.
Wrestling IS art.

 
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Old 11-28-2022, 07:30 PM   #55
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New hypothesis time: perhaps nobody in the band actually did it with each other, instead, the others noticed big willies burdgeoning boner for Paz and they started razzing him by doing a bit where it was like “here comes the big man here he is sshhhh” “ahem so Dave, yeah. About last night. Yeah man. It happened. And let me tel u what man it was so wild but man, man. Her bellybutton does smell of patchouli just like u said” “ah, rad man! do u think she’ll ride it (my pony) next?” etc. and then even she got on board with it as well and was like “oh pajo u forgot your nocturnal bite guard here in my guitar case but don’t worry i washed it off for u also it was so nice to do it in public for a change for once etc” and it was hilarious all until big willie lost his god damned mind and torpedoed one of the biggest indie groundswells of all time out of simple, dry-peened spite

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Old 11-28-2022, 07:52 PM   #56
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ďah, rad man! do u think sheíll ride it (my pony) next?Ē etc. and then even she got on board with it as well and was like ďoh pajo u forgot your nocturnal bite guard here in my guitar case but donít worry i washed it off for u also it was so nice to do it in public for a change for once etcĒ
someone needs to take down this godforsaken website

 
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Old 11-28-2022, 07:58 PM   #57
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someone needs to take down this godforsaken website
If u donít wear a bite guard let me just inform u itís very important to wash it off as soon as u wake up, otherwise your baking that vile morningbreath saliva right into there and before u know it youíre out another $20 or so dollars, $30 if u want a good one

 
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Old 11-28-2022, 08:13 PM   #58
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someone needs to take down this godforsaken website
This is the line in the sand for you?

 
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Old 11-28-2022, 08:46 PM   #59
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Ima let u finish but run2pee just had one of the greatest net4ya posts of all time

 
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Old 11-28-2022, 09:31 PM   #60
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it's possible to do something for financial reasons and also enjoy it

 
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