Machina II on ebay

[MyOneAndOnly]

already over $1000

http://www.ebay.com/itm/ws/eBayISAPI...m=330741579225

[whywontyoulistn]

Wow, free shipping!

[MyOneAndOnly]

monte thinks is the Metro copy

http://www.crestfallen.com/2012/05/3...-ii-hits-ebay/

[reprise85]

always such an ordeal when this goes on ebay

[reprise85]

https://twitter.com/Billy/status/208244046991331328

billy thinks it may be fake

[DeadOpera]

it's D'arcy's copy and billy knows it. he's saying it's fake so she can't get much booze money for it.

[Rumpkin]

No it's James Iha's copy, that's why he is also selling A Perfect Circle memorabilia if you check his other items for sale. True story.

[Cool As Ice Cream]

i don't think this is a fake. "too good to be true" isn't a very strong argument. it means he can't see anything wrong with it. which, in my opinion, is a decent argument that this is real.

but then i've never seen any pictures of this, so i have no idea.
someone could have faked it, of course.

the fact that there is tape on the sleeves is a good thing. if i remember it correctly, this is how they look.

[Cool As Ice Cream]

@n0toyz4oj @MonteLDS I think it's a phony pony...looks too good to be true and the lack of provenance is a bad sign.

— Billy Corgan (@Billy) May 31, 2012

[Cool As Ice Cream]

pmack to thread.

[whywontyoulistn]

Originally Posted by Rumpkin

No it's James Iha's copy, that's why he is also selling A Perfect Circle memorabilia if you check his other items for sale. True story.

Look at all the toys, children's/women's clothing, and makeup he's bought and sold. Who else could it be?

[Rumpkin]

mystery solved

[Fonzie]

Monte's, based on the spelling.

This is one of twenty five original acetate vinyl hard copies of Smashing Pumpkins Machina II / The Friends & Enemies of Modern Music. Recorded 1999 - 2000. Released Sept. 5th 2000. Recod Lable: Constantinople. Producer: Billy Corgan and Flood.

[Cool As Ice Cream]

it's the same seller as back in august 2005: http://contact.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI...unipertreeblue
i remember the seller was called selling4supper back then. (link to old thread)

i can't remember if she ever properly proved that this was a real copy, but her story was that her friend or boyfriend gave it to her, after buying it at a silent auction for about $400. it's the q101 copy. i think she said it was numbered 19/25, but we haven't seen any pictures of that.

[Hypno+Raygun]

Good find on the history of the ebay names! It is interesting to me that the Perfect Circle vinyl award was presented to Q101 as well.. So maybe the original story wasn't 100%...? My theory is she worked at Q101 and "kept" both of the items..??

[Cool As Ice Cream]

one of her old ebay names was "mary" too. so maybe it is the same person, and then indeed her original story was made up. maybe she pulled the plug on the previous auction because she was afraid that q101 would find out that she "kept" these items?

or there indeed was a q101 auction, and her boyfriend not only bought machina II, but also this APC award, and gave both to her.

[Cool As Ice Cream]

scotty, please tell me this isn't you:
http://i48.tinypic.com/25q5efr.png

(you don't really have to tell me. the less you post, the better.)

[Cool As Ice Cream]

Originally Posted by Cool As Ice Cream

pmack to thread.

thread about the previous auction: http://forums.netphoria.org/showthread.php?t=102034

[Rocket Launcher]

this might also be handy

http://forums.netphoria.org/showthread.php?t=160806

Originally Posted by MonteLDS

Default
http://forums.netphoria.org/showthread.php?t=102034 orignal thread

actually saved this to my computer one time when it came up because i wanted to remember.

confirmed:

billy
james
d'arcy
jimmy
melissa m. (manager)
gooch
gregory sylvester
joe shanahan
karl daher / spifc
eric agnew / spfc
dave asselin
q101
wxrt
3 copies not given out

numbers known:
original band members - 1-4
gregory sylvester - 11

other guesses:
matt walker
butch vig
flood
alan moulder
jimmy/dennis flemion

melissa a.d.m. did NOT get a copy

posted by List on Fork
http://forums.netphoria.org/showpost...&postcount=198

Starseed talking on IRC

StArSeEd> that's Q101's alright.
StArSeEd> WXRT's is 20
ninjaprsn> StArSeEd: where did you get the numbers from?
StArSeEd> dahl's is 23, agnew's is 24, asselin's is 25
StArSeEd> shanahan's is 8
StArSeEd> corgan sr's is 7
StArSeEd> matuzak's is 6
StArSeEd> flood's is 5


When StArSeEd comes online I will ask him if he has more numbers...

So it looks like
1) Billy (?)
2) James (?)
3) D'arcy (?)
4) Jimmy (?)
5) Flood
6) Matuzak
7) Corgan Sr
8) Joe Shanahan
11) gregory sylvester

9, 10, 12-18, 21, 22 (?)

19) Someone in France? (formerly Q101)
20) WXRT
23) dahl's
24) agnew
25) asselin

Also looks like Dead coined the phrase "SP2"
http://forums.netphoria.org/showpost...&postcount=594

[Skradgee]

Where's T&T? This might be his chance at a crazy high quality 24bit 192khz rip.

[MonteLDS]

billy said "f [the] Machina 2 is the Q101 copy than it should not be made available for sale because it was given as promo only and SP owns rights"

[MyOneAndOnly]

Give me one, billy. I won't sell it!

[Skradgee]

Right...which singular person at the radio station has control of that? How many "promotional only - not for sale" """collectors items""" given out to radio stations end up on eBay? How many successful, net gain lawsuits come about because of that?

I mean...I suppose Billy could sue the general manager if it's the Q101 copy in this case, but if it's really the one that was given James, or whomever, it was a gift and the ownership has been transferred so they can do whatever they want with it.

[Shallowed]

I'm pretty sure that "promo only not for resale" malarkey is totally powerless and doesn't actually enforce anything. It's not like slapping a sticker on something makes it illegal to sell.

[reprise85]

yeah billy's talking out of his ass

[marce]

oh, shit. it's already over $4000... i'm betting it's gonna go for over $20,000

[Shallowed]

I want one

[marce]

btw, the fact that someone wrote on the labels with a sharpie is consistent with the q101 theory. no fan receiving machina ii would have ever done that...

[iPumpkin]

I just bid 4850 and was immediately outbid.

Whoever a***d( 529) is must have a crazy high max bid set.

[Cool As Ice Cream]

http://www.ebay.com/itm/330741579225

Q: What number is this Machina 2?
A: It is not numbered. I do not see a number anywhere stating which number of 25 this is. I am not sure if there is supposed to be a number. The only things numbered are what I took photos of which are the album sequence. Thanks for your interest.

didn't she say it was numbered the last time? (number 19.)

she's once again doing quite a bad job convincing people that this is real.