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Old 02-17-2022, 08:04 AM   #4651
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Could easily have been 1000 copies if there's 100 guys out there with SP/BC merchandise shrine rooms. Plus another 100 or so copies to people with far milder mental health issues who only bought 1 copy each.

 
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Old 02-17-2022, 09:16 AM   #4652
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I just want to hear the fucking songs. I don't give a shit about vinyl or sustainable business models

Put it on iTunes. I listen to the music.

 
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Old 02-17-2022, 10:29 AM   #4653
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I just want to hear the fucking songs. I don't give a shit about vinyl or sustainable business models

Put it on iTunes. I listen to the music.
Exactly. If people want to buy the fucking vinyl then sell that when it's ready, but to hold it back because of a vinyl shortage is stupid.

 
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Old 02-17-2022, 02:14 PM   #4654
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Old 02-17-2022, 05:22 PM   #4655
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none of it makes sense, they've been working on it (allegedly) and gotten the label/legal stuff sorted out (allegedly) and the reissue thing was all going relatively smoothly up 'til Machina

the only argument that's made sense so far is Billy holding onto it since he knows a fair portion of the fanbase is holding out for it and will theoretically put up w/ the other crap he releases in the meantime. but still, anyone who's "hardcore" enough to want the machina reissue will probably be interested in the other ones he's hinted at as well

 
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Old 02-17-2022, 05:23 PM   #4656
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alternatively: rat bastard quinto baked the tapes

 
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Old 02-17-2022, 05:24 PM   #4657
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I just want to hear the fucking songs. I don't give a shit about vinyl or sustainable business models

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Exactly. If people want to buy the fucking vinyl then sell that when it's ready, but to hold it back because of a vinyl shortage is stupid.
hey guys i know we're all excited about the machine reissue here but no need for trash mouth!

 
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Old 02-17-2022, 05:45 PM   #4658
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I'm very confused by that photo above, and assume I ought to recognize the man on the right

Why is Billy cosplaying as a hard-boiled '40s private detective

Why is the other man holding a pitcher of Mountain Dew Baja Blast, which he could have only purchased at Taco Bell, which does not to my knowledge offer pitchers

 
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Old 02-17-2022, 07:33 PM   #4659
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This Machina saga sure was a wild ride. Spent half my life waiting to hear a clean version of M2. And now I’m 80yo.

Thanks for the memories, Billy Pumpkins!

VAHGINA: GOD OF VAGINES.

 
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Old 02-17-2022, 09:24 PM   #4660
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I'm very confused by that photo above, and assume I ought to recognize the man on the right

Why is Billy cosplaying as a hard-boiled '40s private detective

Why is the other man holding a pitcher of Mountain Dew Baja Blast, which he could have only purchased at Taco Bell, which does not to my knowledge offer pitchers
they sold it in stores for some time a few years back iirc

agreed on other points

 
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Old 02-17-2022, 11:46 PM   #4661
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what on earth are you babies crying about now?

 
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Old 02-18-2022, 01:40 AM   #4662
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Old 02-18-2022, 02:33 AM   #4663
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I don’t know if this has been happening to you guys yet, but Strangely enough, my only concern recently is that it really will be a sustainable business model. I really hope that it is.



I’m guessing I have developed at this point what’s known as “SPSS”.


Smashing Pumpkins Stockholm Syndrome.

 
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Old 02-18-2022, 03:01 AM   #4664
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I guess it’s just heart-warming to know the Pumpkins made so much money in the mid-90’s WPC could afford to “do it his way”, “prove everyone wrong” and “burn the lies off the souls” of non-believers for twenty straight years of commercial failure and brand obscurity, yet still be considered mega-rich. And you have to admire him for that.

 
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Old 02-18-2022, 10:44 AM   #4665
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Fuck your
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I would be sincerely thrilled if he took his hatred of his fanbase and started writing vitriolic songs about how he wishes they would all shut up, leave him alone, die in a ditch, etc.

Nerdz

Here Is No Why Epilogue: In Which the Sad Machines Die Screaming and Are Cast Into the Lake of Fire

I'm of course picturing the return of the snarl, and some sick riffs, but if he wants to keep doing his dumb little acoustic fingerpicking with his dumb little trilling voice it'd be funny on another level I suppose

 
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Old 02-18-2022, 10:58 AM   #4666
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I know plenty of people who DIY self release albums with vinyl pressings.
Billy's pressing delays are bullshit. He's not running massive volumes where 'supply chain' issues are of grand consideration like he pretends...

 
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Old 02-18-2022, 11:38 AM   #4667
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I know plenty of people who DIY self release albums with vinyl pressings.
Billy's pressing delays are bullshit. He's not running massive volumes where 'supply chain' issues are of grand consideration like he pretends...
With Machina, you have a disinterested label involved with an album that bombed. Billy is having the label cover the pressing costs with Machina. This is not DIY like Teargarden, Siddhartha, or AEGEA. Billy most likely realized his mistake going DIY with Teargarden and Siddhartha. This is why Billy works with a label like Sumerian, because they will pay for pressing costs and marketing. Hence why he's trying to get them to reissue all his other albums. Billy does whatever he can to keep it out of his pocket. You won't get a Zwan boxset unless a label like Sumerian will put money down. And UMG (who owns Virgin) doesn't give a damn about trying to push Billy's Machina boxset. Most likely, the label has their usual plant and they have a it'll get done when it gets done attitude. No one at UMG is going out of their way for Billy to find another plant so he can get his Machina boxset out as soon as possible. And Billy can't go the DIY route with Machina because UMG owns it. Billy is free to do whatever he wants with his post-Machina releases though as they're usually under Martha's Music and licensed out to a label. This gives Billy control over having it pulled from streamingi services f he wants or finding someone who will pay to reissue them. He doesn't have that control with Machina being that it was still under Virgin. But he still won't go the DIY route with post-Machina releases if he can get a label like Sumerian to cover the bill. If you’re all hoping for a Zwan or Zeitgeist boxset, you better hope that relationship with Sumerian doesn't sour.

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Old 02-18-2022, 12:47 PM   #4668
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The album bombed and many fans were gony by the release.

I mean it is just one reissue of thousands...

Machina as a whole has some good trax, so does m2. But half of the trax on m1 or m2 have got skippable songs, i still cant connect.

I was really into the reissue stuff but after all those reissues i had hoped for more deep dive, more surprises, more unreleased stuff....

So i am more looking forward to new songs than listening to the 4 versions of if there is a god, blue skies or raindrops

 
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Old 02-18-2022, 02:02 PM   #4669
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This is not DIY like Teargarden, Siddhartha, or AEGEA. Billy most likely realized his mistake going DIY with Teargarden and Siddhartha.
Do we know the latest # of units sold of Siddhartha? I remember the janky website basically put that info front and center.

 
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Old 02-18-2022, 04:24 PM   #4670
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So i am more looking forward to new songs than listening to the 4 versions of if there is a god, blue skies or raindrops
Machina 2 has only one version of that song.

 
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Old 02-18-2022, 04:26 PM   #4671
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Do we know the latest # of units sold of Siddhartha? I remember the janky website basically put that info front and center.
I think he only pressed 500 copies, sold out.

 
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Old 02-18-2022, 05:49 PM   #4672
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I think he only pressed 500 copies, sold out.
really?
last thing i knew was that half of them were signed, those sold out.
but, "due to popular demand", half of them weren't signed, and 215 of the 250 unsigned copies were left unsold last time we were able to check the stock on their website.
https://forums.netphoria.org/showthread.php?t=184229

 
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Old 02-18-2022, 09:23 PM   #4673
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Old 02-19-2022, 01:15 AM   #4674
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I’m looking forward to the Imploding Voice pit mix 3 and the Machina 2 reversed extras.

 
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Old 02-19-2022, 02:38 AM   #4675
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Matching Machina Penis Haze color vinyl edition. Confirmed release date of 2025.

 
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Old 02-19-2022, 06:53 AM   #4676
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really?
last thing i knew was that half of them were signed, those sold out.
but, "due to popular demand", half of them weren't signed, and 215 of the 250 unsigned copies were left unsold last time we were able to check the stock on their website.
https://forums.netphoria.org/showthread.php?t=184229
The business acumen of deriding the fans of your most commercially successful products and deliberately producing work for which there is no market.

The Corgan stratagem for proving his critics wrong.

 
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Old 03-01-2022, 01:45 AM   #4677
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Posted on the band's facebook page today:

The Smashing Pumpkins
“To make a toast to life
cause I have survived”
What are your top 3 songs from Machina/The Machines of God?
Released on February 29, 2000


RERELEASED 2025. fuck you b0lly!!!

 
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Old 03-18-2022, 02:31 PM   #4678
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Had to do an MS Word essay about some of my favorite tunes for a course I'm taking and needed to create a table

Figured I'd make it entertaining



 
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Old 03-18-2022, 03:27 PM   #4679
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Had to do an MS Word essay about some of my favorite tunes for a course I'm taking and needed to create a table

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Fantastic chart

Congratulations on the fiancée

be sure don’t to f it up like so many of us lil big willies

 
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Old 03-18-2022, 03:35 PM   #4680
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Figured I'd make it entertaining


Kudos on this fine work. I've never seen a better use of MS Word than this.

 
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