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10-01-2022, 01:13 PM | #1 |
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Adore Tour version of BWBW-did they pull it off or was it lame?
Personally I think it works, although I do prefer the standard version. The ending here is great though. But I imagine some people see this as more Billy shenanigans. |
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10-01-2022, 01:20 PM | #2 |
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fucking rocks... i love how they go "DESPITE AL MY RAGE I AM STILL JUSTT A RAT IN A CAGGGEEEE" and the riff just hits right back in
yea the original is superior but its badass that they did this |
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10-01-2022, 01:24 PM | #3 |
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Agreed, one of the things I liked about SP album to album in the 90s is how Billy never was satisfied on settling on one style, this is another case of that same method of thinking by him I think. Sometimes it made for songs I wasn't huge on (albeit not very often, I enjoy the vast majority and even the ones I don't are objectively good pieces of music), but I appreciated that he was so creative and eclectic as opposed to just doing the same shit over and over again like most bands do.
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10-01-2022, 01:48 PM | #4 |
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Adore is my #3 fave SP album, but the live era absolutely sucked. I think this is the precursor to lame big group of musicians we have currently and in the very recent past. It's not rocking and comes off as overly gimmicky. Should have been dark and brooding with the JC muscle. Those auxiliary percussionist are just so off putting and Arnoff is wildly out of place. Also, the inclusion of Garson is a very telling facet of Billy's inability to properly interpret his own musical styling.
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10-01-2022, 01:54 PM | #5 |
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sounds like the everlasting gaze. the distortion is amazing
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10-01-2022, 02:09 PM | #6 | |
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10-01-2022, 02:12 PM | #7 | |
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10-01-2022, 02:17 PM | #8 | |
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I like the live interpretations from that tour so much better than the record. Live version of Stumbeline from that era is an all-time favorite too. edit: oh it was london UK not dublin Last edited by slunken : 10-01-2022 at 03:29 PM. |
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10-01-2022, 02:28 PM | #9 |
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10-01-2022, 03:00 PM | #10 |
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It’s dope.
I miss the recklessness of pre-2000’s Billy/SP. He started becoming increasingly calculated post-MCIS, getting more and more trapped in a maze of reacting to his previous work and to his perceptions of his audience. His work has suffered exponentially as time goes on as a result. Here there is still incredible power in his voice, in the way the band plays, and in the way they are deconstructing and repackaging an old song. It’s mesmerizing. Also as a side note, it’s interesting to hear Aronoff’s rock steady time feel contrasting with the band’s inherent looseness. And the absence of Jimmy’s push/pull feel driving the band is noticeable. But it still sounds great in a different way. |
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10-01-2022, 03:05 PM | #11 | |
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10-01-2022, 03:18 PM | #12 |
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better than 2000 version
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10-01-2022, 03:18 PM | #13 |
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im not a huge fan of this narrative... im pretty sure they added the percussionists because a lot of adore was a straightforward drum part played acoustically by matt walker or joey warnokerthat were then augmented with samples... i think having two aux percussionists was a way cooler move than having backing tracks doing the electronics
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10-01-2022, 03:27 PM | #14 |
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definitely
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10-01-2022, 03:30 PM | #15 |
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10-01-2022, 03:32 PM | #16 |
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garson plays tasteful keys that nobody notices for an entire show just let the man go off one time please for the love of god
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10-01-2022, 03:38 PM | #17 |
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this is so gnarly |
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10-01-2022, 03:39 PM | #18 | |
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10-01-2022, 03:42 PM | #19 |
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hahahaha
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10-01-2022, 04:11 PM | #20 |
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As long as we're linking Adore era perfomances, this 20ish second clip from Crestfallen in Brussels is maybe the best I've ever heard Billy sing
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10-01-2022, 04:30 PM | #21 |
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the live arrangement of crestfallen is so so so so so so fucking good.... awesome song both in the studio and on the stage... keep hating idiots
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10-01-2022, 04:32 PM | #22 |
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you idiots pretend mike garson sits there for an entire show and then just plays one crazy solo
comically laughable |
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10-01-2022, 04:32 PM | #23 |
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Who's hating? Crestfallen is an amazing song. It got me through some really difficult times.
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10-01-2022, 04:34 PM | #24 |
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10-01-2022, 04:42 PM | #25 |
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the fashion capital of Illinois lol
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10-01-2022, 04:47 PM | #26 |
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imagine the money getting paid to hit a tambourine with a drum stick once every 12 bars by billy corgan in 1998
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10-01-2022, 04:47 PM | #27 |
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guy probably retired
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10-01-2022, 04:56 PM | #28 |
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10-01-2022, 05:19 PM | #29 |
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Adore era BWBW is when things really started to go to shit. It's Billy losing his touch chasing whatever the fuck he thought would keep him "successful" after the Adore (sort of) fiasco.
The way he had no problem butchering one of his all time greats with a fucken 7-string guitar just to make it palatable to nu-metal kids is chilling. |
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10-01-2022, 05:22 PM | #30 |
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ouruseoffools isn't gonna like that one.
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