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10-05-2022, 01:02 AM | #211 | |
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In other words, while it is vile, it is at least interesting. In the same way that odd insects or rotting possums might be interesting, u might pause in your day to regard these This stuff on the other hand is exhaustingly empty. Boring and lifeless to the extreme. It’s the first time ive not even wanted to come back and be like, wait what the heck is there a song under that nauseating sound there? |
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10-05-2022, 01:05 AM | #212 |
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brothabigcock4u wrote:
“Funnily people now jump on shiny vol3 cause it oughta be psychedelic....lol.....what if the voice is front, what if it is full with cheesy synths and garageband drums, what if it is full of katie choirs and gospel girls??? What do you do then.” Dude it’s full of all that already and we’ve only heard four or five songs. |
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10-05-2022, 01:37 AM | #213 |
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it’s the sound of a complete lack of honesty, which sounds like nothing in particular
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10-05-2022, 02:46 AM | #214 |
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In the third episode, Billy says this about the album's length:
"The way that we look at it inside the band - with a 33 song record - if you can't find ten songs you like, we're not doing our job. So at the very least, people can find an album within those 33 songs that they like. ... But again, if you can't find ten Smashing Pumpkins songs that you like within these songs, then you're probably not a Smashing Pumpkins fan." Somewhat self-depreciating, but I kinda get that and subscribe to that, generally. I think Cyr is exactly that for me. You could lop off half of Cyr and have a decent little album that is like 40 minutes long, which is EXACTLY how long it should have been. I still haven't been able to get thru that whole album, and that says a lot, because, hell, I post here, right? I'm a fan. But I'm not sad I didn't get Cyr on vinyl. I think Atum will be the same - so maybe that's what we're working with at this point? I think we should all be able to find the proverbial "Wrath" that's buried in there. |
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10-05-2022, 03:16 AM | #215 |
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That's the issue with these gigantic exhausting albums isn't it
I don't WANT to curate some playlist, I want a decent listening experience from start to finish where every track is the best it could possibly be, full of clever little flourishes, rather than farted out so quickly every song seems painfully underwritten Neophyte one is a prime example, just repeating the same phrase and motif endlessly does not make for a great listening experience Last edited by New Art Rioter : 10-05-2022 at 04:21 AM. |
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10-05-2022, 04:54 AM | #216 |
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House if glass: you think that the extra 10 songs will sound like the songs from cyr/ atum( so far)?
I think people now jump on shiny 3 because they hope it could be totally different. Well, i accepted the fact that bolly prefers 30 songs and releasr them all, and it isnt important if they rock or not...it is all the same...well...sustainable... Sadly thats the same with atum. There will be some heavier songs, some embracers and neophytes and typical cyrs like butterfly suite... My hope for shoegaze or guitar interplay like on soma, mayonaise or or gaze is dead.... It is all produced the same...well ok..i gotta accept |
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10-05-2022, 04:59 AM | #217 |
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Though I had previously stated that I wanted to avoid listening to the podcasts, and preferred to wait for the first album to come out, I've decided to listen to each track on the podcasts just once. Just so I can keep up with what's going on. Then when the album comes out I can hear them together as they flow, as well as in better quality.
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10-05-2022, 05:06 AM | #218 | |
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-Billy "Successful Competitive Business Model" Corgan |
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10-05-2022, 05:08 AM | #219 |
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Interesting to hear BC's claiming he wrote the drum intro for I Am One. Everything he says on this podcast has a whiff of BS.
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10-05-2022, 05:11 AM | #220 | |
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His "writing" it was probably saying to Jimmy "the drums should go dugga-dugga-dugga" etc and Jimmy just did it. |
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10-05-2022, 06:39 AM | #221 |
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I do remember reading or hearing an interview at some point where he mentioned Jimmy didn’t want to play the drum beat to I Am One when he tried to get him to do it. So it seems plausible that it was Bill’s idea.
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10-05-2022, 07:33 AM | #222 |
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The conversation with Yungblud where Billy talks about the difference between being "fake" then and now is nuts. WTF is he talking about. None of that has any bearing on popularity or record sales.
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10-05-2022, 07:41 AM | #223 |
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10-05-2022, 09:26 AM | #224 | |
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*Honestly I have no idea, but with the rise of Spotify and Tidal and such, I'm guessing this is the case? |
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10-05-2022, 10:31 AM | #225 |
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So Billy is encouraging listeners to take random songs, songs that exist in a particular order to form a narrative on which this whole album is hanging on, and put them together in any order we please?
Doesn't that negate the whole point of the narrative? |
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10-05-2022, 11:08 AM | #226 |
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I think he's gradually becoming aware of how people stream music these days
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10-05-2022, 11:09 AM | #227 |
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I would almost say, and obviously this is an ignorant guess on my part, that the sequence is for him and for posterity as an artistic achievement, and to a lesser extent for the hardcore fans; and the "hope you like 10 songs" bit is just an expectation for how more casual fans, or new fans, will engage with it
To me this is a little like when he did Monuments and was like "kids these days only want songs that are three minutes or less," only it's perhaps a more accurate understanding of people's listening habits |
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10-05-2022, 02:02 PM | #228 |
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you can still get a story even if the the sequence jumps around.
has no one seen pulp fiction? we live in an ear when 15 second clips is the most popular form of media... |
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10-05-2022, 02:18 PM | #229 |
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If this theory is correct, would it not have been preferable to, perhaps, make something that is NOT a 33-song Rock Opera concept album?
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10-05-2022, 02:22 PM | #230 |
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Why not make a 55 song quadruple album of songs made out of 1 riff each so the kids can perhaps make their own mini EP out of it of what they like?
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10-05-2022, 02:23 PM | #231 |
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Hot idea: Name the next character Luster
(pronounced Lester) |
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10-05-2022, 02:38 PM | #232 |
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10-05-2022, 02:50 PM | #233 | |
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I mean, he has written several things that are not a 33-song Rock Opera concept album and they haven't gotten him very far, so I can't blame him for trying to go bigger and see if that works any better |
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10-05-2022, 03:18 PM | #234 |
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If it fails (e.g. bad reviews, doesn't break into the Top 100 / Top 40), what does he do then? There was always the idea of the "psychedelic" record to fall back on. But this is now being released as part of Atum (even though it hasn't been recorded yet).
Would Atum then be the final SP album? |
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10-05-2022, 04:19 PM | #235 |
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10-05-2022, 04:33 PM | #236 |
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It’s not going to be a big hit at all. We already know that. I’d be surprised if every new SP release since MTaE sells more than 5,000-10,000 copies.
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10-05-2022, 05:05 PM | #237 |
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10-05-2022, 05:51 PM | #238 |
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10-05-2022, 06:27 PM | #239 | |
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There's nothing good about Widow. Nothing. Not even as a morbid joke. Bad synths, repetitive tripe lyrics, and Bill's worst, most grating vocal performance on record. |
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10-05-2022, 06:40 PM | #240 | |
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The band is too big of a brand to just stop if their new record isn't a hit. If this were true, the band would be long over by now. The Cure hasn't had a hit record in over 20 years. Every album since Wish has failed by chart standards of a band with their reputation. |
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