The Rise and Fall of the Smashing Pumpkins

[Shallowed]

bro you're comparing the way the audience of the strokes responded to the strokes at the time, with the way the audiences of taylor swift, lana del rey, and billie eilish respond to them today

[trev]

Originally Posted by Ram27

i would agree, but zwan 2001 shows

yep. if 2001 zwan was what followed mcis instead of adore, it would have been absolutely fucking huge. everyone would have loved it. even if people had to wait 6 years in between.

i mean it pretty much was just a delayed continuation after tafh, with some of the gravity demos being used for zwan songs and all.

[T&T]

Originally Posted by houseofglass11

This is one of the best takes I’ve read on why rock “died” essentially. What’s your take on the current state of music where it seems like only people from wealthy families have any chance? Obviously having connections has always been a thing in the industry. But there were always rags to riches stories like Billy also. Now music seems to have trended to being something only the wealthy or offspring of celebrities can partake in.

It seemed to start with the Strokes. With the whole band being rich kids with powerful fathers. Of course now you have the likes of Taylor Swift, Lana, Billie Eilish etc who all come from wealthy and well connected families. It’s also interesting how Gen Z doesn’t question their roots or even care. Whereas Gen X would have ripped them to shreds for being privileged. It seems that talent alone is no longer enough to make it. Billy Corgan would never make it if he had come up in this musical climate.

kids of the rich (or of musicians) has always been in a thing. Off the top of my head in the 90's we had: wallflowers, wilson Philips, Jeff Buckley, Eagle-Eye and Nenah Cherry..
and I'm sure we had artists in the 70's that were also 'kids of older musicians'.
Michael Jackson had family pedgree in the buisness.

Any intelligent parent would (should) encourage their children to NOT persue a career in the arts (or sports) regardless of talent. The success rate is the worst. But if you're born in money, you can afford to take the risk (like any buisness venture is easier for someone with a safety net). I'm not making a jugement on a trend.

[TheAlter]

The Billie Eilish "well connected family" is a bit of myth, imo. Her parents are minor league actors and her career took off on Myspace or YT.

Props to Jacob Dylan for a great career despite the hunting, cumbersome family name.

[CherryRay]

It seems to be that In quite a few cases children who have parents who were singers and/or musicians, but not hugely successful or didn't live up to their potential, tend to do well.
They probably get taught all the most important parts of theory and playing and writing techniques and what to listen to early in their life so they build upon their parents knowledge and progress further.

[reprise85]

Corgan Sr. didn't support BC until after he was very successful. Yeah, he learned from him, but his father discouraged him from pursuing music his whole childhood, according to old BC blogs. I highly doubt he actually taught him any theory or writing techniques explicitly. Certainly it sounds like he exposed him to a wide range of music, but I think BC is being very generous in his RIP video. He may have inspired BC, but it wasn't on purpose.

Unless the old BC was lying, which is possible.

edit: oh, I thought we were in the other thread. yeah I agree about other artists

[CherryRay]

He certainly used his studio equipment and learned about studio recording techniques and pedals etc.
Edit: didn't realise his Dad had died, my Dad died last year, it's not fun.

[RAWK]

Originally Posted by T&T

many other bands have flown higher, and fallen faster.

Billy is still one of the very very lucky ones.

it's nearly impossible to sustain that level for an ongoing period.


he obviously has.
this is a basic (lame) measure of SP's success
https://www.billboard.com/artist/the-smashing-pumpkins/
and it's not much compared to BIGGER stars.

Radiohead has entered the chat...

[brothahi4L]

billie eilish? sick of her spoken word humming , always the same bored out music.

now she has problems with porn(stars) ...what a waste she is.


concerning pumpkins: this video footage of billy singing christmas shows once prooves his loss of lyrics, emotions, and singing.

he performs like an uninspired 70 year old dude who has no motivation at all.

i gonna listen to the new mcis3 song on youtube in 2024?

can anyone tell bill (Insta) that his singing style got even worse

[Cool As Ice Cream]

Originally Posted by brothahi4L

can anyone tell bill (Insta) that his singing style got even worse

ok, no problem.
you're welcome.