Machina reissue a go - Page 171

slunken · 06-03-2023, 09:31 PM

These dum-dums keep throwing around the phrase "cleaned up" but like what exactly needs to be cleaned up?

What actual changes need to be addressed?

What does "cleaned up" even mean????

slunken · 06-03-2023, 09:35 PM

Dum-Dums: MACHINA IS OVERPRODUCED AND IT RUINED THE SONGS

also the same Dum-Dums: MACHINA 2 NEEDS TO BE "FIXED" AND "CLEANED UP"

Ram27 · 06-03-2023, 10:01 PM

it's i guess muddy in a way, but it's not like i can't hear everything or can't enjoy the songs

i want more shit like strength in numbers, or some good live takes, pale scales, etc etc than 2020 remixes of classic tracks with a 'story' this time

Ram27 · 06-03-2023, 10:05 PM

james' lead at the end of vanity is peak SP

Funbags · 06-03-2023, 10:05 PM

I want the version with crowd noises.

Joey Goldberg · 06-04-2023, 01:32 AM

regardless of if they even touch the mixes, wouldn't it be the first time we actually got a direct master of Machina 2 instead of just someone's vinyl rip?

Ihaguitar · 06-04-2023, 07:55 AM

"Machina reissue a go", they said...

LaBelle · 06-04-2023, 09:44 AM

I think both machinas sound bad.
No pumpkins album past adore sounds good on a technical level.

ourruseoffools · 06-04-2023, 10:15 AM

I’m not betting on getting improved versions of anything… besides maybe that acoustic G&TGC in full instead of just cut off

Mostly hoping for unheard content but there prob won’t be much of that… also it’s not coming out anyway lmfao

enthusaroo · 06-04-2023, 10:29 AM

what's the new release date?

Rairun · 06-04-2023, 10:52 AM

Idk, I enjoy the Machina I treatment. I can see why people wouldn't like it, but I enjoy the muddy textures, and I like how so many parts are buried and almost inaudible. You can hear them enough to know they are good, but you really need to focus, and they make you feel wistful for something you can glimpse but never hold.

Machina II sounds like a pretty good demo or lo-fi album. I enjoy the sound too, and I wouldn't trade it for a final album-quality version, but I can see how the band would have made other production choices if they were actually releasing it officially.

VoxUpDoc · 06-04-2023, 12:48 PM

Are they deleting the old Machina 2 tracks or something?

LaBelle · 06-04-2023, 01:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by VoxUpDoc

Are they deleting the old Machina 2 tracks or something?

Yes, every single copy in mp3, flac even the vinyls are gonna disappear in a puff of smoke when they release the reissue.

slunken · 06-04-2023, 01:47 PM

Joey Goldberg · 06-04-2023, 03:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LaBelle

I think both machinas sound bad.
No pumpkins album past adore sounds good on a technical level.

Damn, I think most of Machina I sounds pretty great - notably the "dreamier" stuff i.e. This Time (POSSIBLY my all time favorite SP song,) I of the Mourning, With Every Light, AoI but tbh I fuckin' love the "cybermetal" shit as well

it's the more middle of the road tunes that kinda suffer, and obv they botched a few songs that clearly exist in better forms either live or on other releases (or in the case of GatGC, straight-up unreleased!)

Ihaguitar · 06-04-2023, 07:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by enthusaroo

what's the new release date?

2045

enthusaroo · 06-05-2023, 12:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ihaguitar

2045

i was expecting 2069

T&T · 06-05-2023, 01:24 AM

I feel like billy attempted to write hits with the 'middle of the road' stuff.
billy doesn't know what a hit is.

TheAlter · 06-05-2023, 02:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Joey Goldberg

This Time (POSSIBLY my all time favorite SP song,)

christ FUCKING almighty this is peak riseofthefools madness!1!1!

via GIPHY

Joey Goldberg · 06-05-2023, 04:08 AM

look buddy you find yourself cryin' in a car when your life is borderline in shambles to a tune you find yourself "rubbing shoulders" just a little bit closer to it!

but no totally uh i meant Hummer or whatever other VERY original choice no one has chosen for a personal (keyword: personal) favorite song from this FUCKED up band howdy doody yeeha IHA!

TheSultanOfCyr · 06-05-2023, 05:11 AM

This Time absolutely one of the best songs ever. Hummer absolutely one of the best songs. Roustabout killer track. Age of Innocence absolutely possibly the best song ever. Let’s all get along here folks.

TheSultanOfCyr · 06-05-2023, 05:12 AM

This Time absolutely one of the best songs ever. Hummer absolutely one of the best songs. Roustabout killer track. Age of Innocence absolutely possibly the best song ever. Let’s all get along here folks.

TheSultanOfCyr · 06-05-2023, 05:17 AM

I just felt like saying that twice!

enthusaroo · 06-05-2023, 05:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheSultanOfCyr

This Time absolutely one of the best songs ever. Hummer absolutely one of the best songs. Roustabout killer track. Age of Innocence absolutely possibly the best song ever. Let’s all get along here folks.

the fuck is going on

TheAlter · 06-05-2023, 05:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Joey Goldberg

look buddy you find yourself cryin' in a car when your life is borderline in shambles to a tune you find yourself "rubbing shoulders" just a little bit closer to it!

That's exactly where i'm at right now after reading that thing about This Time

Better put on some Soco Amaretto Lime by Brand New before the day goes to shit, fuck! Shit! Shoot!

VoxUpDoc · 06-05-2023, 06:50 AM

My favourite Pumpkins track is Ruby (Pit mix 3).

Absolutely one of the best songs ever written.

TheAlter · 06-05-2023, 07:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by VoxUpDoc

My favourite Pumpkins track is Ruby (Pit mix 3).

Absolutely one of the best songs ever written.

ourruseoffools · 06-05-2023, 07:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheAlter

Better put on some Soco Amaretto Lime by Brand New before the day goes to shit, fuck! Shit! Shoot!

Wow these are some fighting words

NovaFritz · 06-05-2023, 10:02 AM

Billy Corgan must have made some bad decisions (for the money) back in the 90s when he signed agreements with Virgin. I can't believe how little control, 23 years later, he has over these songs.

It also makes it all the more strange how they were able to get permission to release M2 for free back then (??)

NovaFritz · 06-05-2023, 10:11 AM

Does anyone think it would matter if fans wrote letters to the record companies asking for release of Machina reissue?

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06-03-2023, 09:31 PM	#5101
slunken Virgo Posts: 42,741	These dum-dums keep throwing around the phrase "cleaned up" but like what exactly needs to be cleaned up? What actual changes need to be addressed? What does "cleaned up" even mean????

06-03-2023, 09:35 PM	#5102
slunken Virgo Posts: 42,741	Dum-Dums: MACHINA IS OVERPRODUCED AND IT RUINED THE SONGS also the same Dum-Dums: MACHINA 2 NEEDS TO BE "FIXED" AND "CLEANED UP"

06-03-2023, 10:01 PM	#5103
Ram27 dumb Location: $8.6 million embezzled funds Posts: 11,054	it's i guess muddy in a way, but it's not like i can't hear everything or can't enjoy the songs i want more shit like strength in numbers, or some good live takes, pale scales, etc etc than 2020 remixes of classic tracks with a 'story' this time

06-03-2023, 10:05 PM	#5104
Ram27 dumb Location: $8.6 million embezzled funds Posts: 11,054	james' lead at the end of vanity is peak SP

06-03-2023, 10:05 PM	#5105
Funbags Apocalyptic Poster Posts: 3,243	I want the version with crowd noises.

06-04-2023, 01:32 AM	#5106
Joey Goldberg Minion of Satan Location: andy dick NAKED Posts: 7,501	regardless of if they even touch the mixes, wouldn't it be the first time we actually got a direct master of Machina 2 instead of just someone's vinyl rip?

06-04-2023, 07:55 AM	#5107
Ihaguitar Apocalyptic Poster Posts: 2,353	"Machina reissue a go", they said...

06-04-2023, 09:44 AM	#5108
LaBelle Socialphobic Location: Away Posts: 11,396	I think both machinas sound bad. No pumpkins album past adore sounds good on a technical level.

06-04-2023, 10:15 AM	#5109
ourruseoffools Apocalyptic Poster Posts: 1,614	I’m not betting on getting improved versions of anything… besides maybe that acoustic G&TGC in full instead of just cut off Mostly hoping for unheard content but there prob won’t be much of that… also it’s not coming out anyway lmfao

06-04-2023, 10:29 AM	#5110
enthusaroo Apocalyptic Poster Location: ameriKKKa Posts: 2,647	what's the new release date?

06-04-2023, 10:52 AM	#5111
Rairun Apocalyptic Poster Posts: 1,089	Idk, I enjoy the Machina I treatment. I can see why people wouldn't like it, but I enjoy the muddy textures, and I like how so many parts are buried and almost inaudible. You can hear them enough to know they are good, but you really need to focus, and they make you feel wistful for something you can glimpse but never hold. Machina II sounds like a pretty good demo or lo-fi album. I enjoy the sound too, and I wouldn't trade it for a final album-quality version, but I can see how the band would have made other production choices if they were actually releasing it officially.

06-04-2023, 12:48 PM	#5112
VoxUpDoc Apocalyptic Poster Posts: 3,613	Are they deleting the old Machina 2 tracks or something?

06-05-2023, 01:24 AM	#5118
T&T Socialphobic Location: montreal Posts: 11,437	I feel like billy attempted to write hits with the 'middle of the road' stuff. billy doesn't know what a hit is.

06-05-2023, 04:08 AM	#5120
Joey Goldberg Minion of Satan Location: andy dick NAKED Posts: 7,501	look buddy you find yourself cryin' in a car when your life is borderline in shambles to a tune you find yourself "rubbing shoulders" just a little bit closer to it! but no totally uh i meant Hummer or whatever other VERY original choice no one has chosen for a personal (keyword: personal) favorite song from this FUCKED up band howdy doody yeeha IHA!

06-05-2023, 05:11 AM	#5121
TheSultanOfCyr Demi-God Location: Walter E. Smithe Posts: 438	This Time absolutely one of the best songs ever. Hummer absolutely one of the best songs. Roustabout killer track. Age of Innocence absolutely possibly the best song ever. Let’s all get along here folks.

06-05-2023, 05:12 AM	#5122
TheSultanOfCyr Demi-God Location: Walter E. Smithe Posts: 438	This Time absolutely one of the best songs ever. Hummer absolutely one of the best songs. Roustabout killer track. Age of Innocence absolutely possibly the best song ever. Let’s all get along here folks.

06-05-2023, 05:17 AM	#5123
TheSultanOfCyr Demi-God Location: Walter E. Smithe Posts: 438	I just felt like saying that twice!

06-05-2023, 06:50 AM	#5126
VoxUpDoc Apocalyptic Poster Posts: 3,613	My favourite Pumpkins track is Ruby (Pit mix 3). Absolutely one of the best songs ever written.

06-05-2023, 10:02 AM	#5129
NovaFritz Apocalyptic Poster Location: luna Posts: 2,697	Billy Corgan must have made some bad decisions (for the money) back in the 90s when he signed agreements with Virgin. I can't believe how little control, 23 years later, he has over these songs. It also makes it all the more strange how they were able to get permission to release M2 for free back then (??)

06-05-2023, 10:11 AM	#5130
NovaFritz Apocalyptic Poster Location: luna Posts: 2,697	Does anyone think it would matter if fans wrote letters to the record companies asking for release of Machina reissue?