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Gish 158 74.53%
Zeitgeist 54 25.47%
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Old 03-13-2008, 04:35 PM   #31
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Rhinoceros and Snail are better anything on Zeitgeist though.
cant agree-tarantula is imo a great

 
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Old 03-13-2008, 04:41 PM   #32
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absolutely can put on an album whenever, they have songs for all moods, and true it does ultimately all come down to personal taste.

ouch the poll seems conclusive are you guys not zeitgeist fans?
eat shit

 
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Old 03-13-2008, 04:42 PM   #33
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I like them lots both, but in general, of their studio albums...SD>MCIS>Zeitgeist>Machina I&II>Gish>Adore.

I surprise myself, typing that almost unconsciously. Zeitgeist ranks higher and is a better record than I thought...hmm.

I like them all! Okay..?

 
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Old 03-13-2008, 04:44 PM   #34
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[quote=Oposie;3199196]I like them lots both, but in general, of their studio albums...SD>MCIS>Zeitgeist>Machina I&II>Gish>Adore.

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machina I and II ahead of gish and adore. really?

 
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Old 03-13-2008, 05:02 PM   #35
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machina I and II ahead of gish and adore. really?
Sure, I believe that period of the band to be one of the most creative and musically ambitious. For me, Billy hadn't developed as a lyricist @ the time of Gish (though it rocks) and I'm sorry, but I just do not like Adore @ all. Full stop.

Everything about the Machina era was cool for me, the Drop C tunings, the pretentious song titles, the mystery tale about the themes and meanings of the records..."TEG", "I of the Mourning", "Stand Inside Your Love", "Speed Kills", "If There Is A God", etc. Brilliant stuff, thumping anything on Gish or Adore.

IMHO, of course.

(I'll probably be banned. Adore is not easily criticized in these parts...)

 
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Old 03-13-2008, 05:13 PM   #36
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(I'll probably be banned. Adore is not easily criticized in these parts...)
What are you talking about?! Nephoria is a generous, forgiving and always welcomes opinions to be expressed.

 
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Old 03-13-2008, 05:16 PM   #37
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What are you talking about?! Nephoria is a generous, forgiving and always welcomes opinions to be expressed.
I know, but I fear I Adore Adore. She scares me.

 
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Old 03-13-2008, 05:20 PM   #38
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I know, but I fear I Adore Adore. She scares me.
Dont worry dude, if she starts giving you beef, I have cousins in Ireland you can stay with them.

 
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Old 03-13-2008, 07:31 PM   #39
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My friends make fun of me and ask me all the time, "Are the Pumpkins the only band you listen to?" (they're not, for the record...) But really, they've been so stylistically diverse that I feel like I can put a Pumpkins album on no matter what mood I'm in.
The same happens to me too...it probably doesn't help that I also listen to a hell of a lot of Zwan and occasionally Billy's solo album.

From what I've heard of it, the new REM album is going to take over in a couple of weeks though...

 
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Old 03-13-2008, 07:35 PM   #40
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Sure, I believe that period of the band to be one of the most creative and musically ambitious. For me, Billy hadn't developed as a lyricist @ the time of Gish (though it rocks) and I'm sorry, but I just do not like Adore @ all. Full stop.

Everything about the Machina era was cool for me, the Drop C tunings, the pretentious song titles, the mystery tale about the themes and meanings of the records..."TEG", "I of the Mourning", "Stand Inside Your Love", "Speed Kills", "If There Is A God", etc. Brilliant stuff, thumping anything on Gish or Adore.

IMHO, of course.

(I'll probably be banned. Adore is not easily criticized in these parts...)
I'm with you about the Machina stuff. It may shock some of the Nazis around here, but the Machina era is probably the most iconic to me (probably because that's the time I really got into the band big time and started downloading b-sides and bootlegs and videos)

I love Adore, but I like the Machina albums more.

 
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Old 03-13-2008, 08:07 PM   #41
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this isn't a dumb question, i would say that both albums have about the same number of songs that i dig and do not dig, but i guess gish gets it because of its sincerity.... and psychedelia and non-goo goo dolls production.

SD>MCIS>Adore=Gish>Zeigeist>TFE>Machina II>Machina=Zwan

 
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Old 03-13-2008, 08:17 PM   #42
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Give me a G...

 
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Old 03-13-2008, 08:22 PM   #43
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SD>MCIS>Machina II=Adore>Machina I>Gish>Hybrid Theory>Zeitgeist

 
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Old 03-13-2008, 08:35 PM   #44
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personally i would rank them this way, from best to least best:

Fabulous Muscles
The Airforce
A Promise
Knife Play
Women As Lovers
La Foret

 
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Old 03-13-2008, 08:36 PM   #45
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SD>MCIS>Adore>PI>Gish>MSOTS>Machina/Machina II>Zeitgeist

Imho.

 
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Old 03-13-2008, 08:40 PM   #46
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Gish Era is better than Zeitgeist Era

Gish itself, to me, is pretty boring. I dislike a great deal of it. I find Suffer, Crush, Window Paine, and Daydream to be insufferable, and I Am One and Siva are blah. I do like Snail and Bury Me quite a bit. Rhino is brilliant. So, I find half of the album completely unlistenable, so it loses.

And, to pile on, I think Mary Star of the Sea is better than Gish. But not TFE, TFE is the bottom of the barrel.

 
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Old 03-13-2008, 08:48 PM   #47
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MCIS=SD=(Drown,Glynis)>Adore=PI>Gish=TAFH=DjaliZwan=Spun>Machina=Machina 2>Zwan>Zeitgeist>TFE

 
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Old 03-13-2008, 09:20 PM   #48
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Gish > SD
ce n'est pas vrai.

 
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Old 03-13-2008, 10:22 PM   #49
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better singing, better production, fresher sound, heartfelt lyrics, great mood on the slow songs, Snail and Siva all put Gish way over Zietgeist.

Gish was my least favorite pumpkin record.. now it's Zeitgeist.

 
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Old 03-13-2008, 10:52 PM   #50
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SD>MCIS>Machina II=Adore>Machina I>Gish>Hybrid Theory>Zeitgeist
man i would not rank machina II or machina I over Gish, but I see that opinion a lot. I think thats the main diverging point among the fans who got into SP early 90s and then those who got into them post adore.

 
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Old 03-13-2008, 10:57 PM   #51
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I like each sp album less than the previous one. So that would make gish my favorite.

 
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Old 03-14-2008, 12:49 AM   #52
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man i would not rank machina II or machina I over Gish, but I see that opinion a lot. I think thats the main diverging point among the fans who got into SP early 90s and then those who got into them post adore.
yeah I just don't like Gish

 
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Old 03-14-2008, 12:54 AM   #53
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I know, but I fear I Adore Adore. She scares me.
adore is appealing to some people because of its atmosphere and departure from previous records

but that's also a sticking point for people that prefer harder rock, which you apparently do

no biggie, just different tastes

personally, adore is my favorite pumpkins record

 
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Old 03-14-2008, 01:10 AM   #54
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gish=mcis>sd=machina2>tafh>troublizing>pi>machina=adore>z>msots>tfe
i never got into zwan much, so i dont even kno about that

 
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Old 03-14-2008, 01:32 AM   #55
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the people who prefer machina over gish are an "interesting" crossover of SP fans who probably like linkin park and/or marilyn manson

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Old 03-14-2008, 01:57 AM   #56
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What?

 
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Old 03-14-2008, 02:24 AM   #57
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Gish over Zeitgeist by a long shot...Bury Me and Rhinocerous are two of my all time favorite SP songs. Nothing on Zeitgeist even cracks my top 10 SP songs...

 
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Old 03-14-2008, 02:42 AM   #58
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the people who prefer machina over gish are an "interesting" crossover of SP fans who probably like linkin park and/or marilyn manson
I'm not sure what you're trying to say.

Gish is just amateurish compared to everything Billy has done since. His vocals sound bored (even more so than on Zeitgeist), the riffs are bland, the lyrics are uninteresting, and the production is lacklustre.

Machina sounds more like SD, MCIS, Adore, and Zeitgeist than Gish by a long shot.

Even with the band being as diverse as they are, Gish sounds like another band entirely, while Zeitgeist and Adore just sound like the same band in a different mood (i.e. era, I suppose).

I like Marilyn Manson's Mechanical Animals album (which Billy worked on), but I can't stand Linkin Park.

 
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yeah I just don't like Gish

 
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what the hell is going on in that picture

 
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