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Old 01-21-2022, 04:07 PM   #121
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i'm still convinced that James did indeed murder Biggie all the evidence is there

 
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Old 01-21-2022, 07:22 PM   #122
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The tour was really great but they only played BWBW and either Stumbeline or Ruby from MCIS, which is not what most people wanted to hear.
god damn that version of Stumbleine from the 98 tour was incredible

 
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Old 01-21-2022, 07:22 PM   #123
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so was the version of tonight

specifically thinking of the MTV "five night stand" show

 
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Old 01-22-2022, 02:10 AM   #124
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i remember it getting plenty of "hype" on radio and MTV. I remember watching the MTV Premier of Ava Adore. Weird that video premieres used to be a big deal that was advertised in advance.

But I also remember it also being the beginning of people who had gotten on the SP wagon with MCIS starting to jump off. Lots of casual fans were complaining that Adore was boring, depressing, dumb, etc. I loved that tour. It was my favorite year or two of SP (other than the year before and after SD).

Yeah, it got a lot of hype.

 
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Old 01-23-2022, 08:15 AM   #125
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I remember when mom would come home from the grocery
and you'd see the bag of jumbo marshmallows and that box of
graham crackers and suddenly the hype level skyrockets! me and my bros playing mortal kombat 2 just waiting on dad to come home so we could start the fire. so yeah i guess you could say the hype was real!

 
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Old 01-29-2022, 11:19 PM   #126
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http://www.spfc.org/tours/date.html?date=19961216


Making my way through the Adore era backwards and came across this MCIS show with the debut of Blissed and Gone.

 
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Old 01-29-2022, 11:23 PM   #127
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i would love a compilation of first live debuts of songs. there's that bullet from 94 that's cool/different

 
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Old 01-30-2022, 02:48 AM   #128
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It feels like he thought he could fart on record for 70 minutes and it would be a hit so he pushed boundaries to dare the radio to still play it, which is great if you're doing it for an artistic reason, but I can't see how it was the case.
If Billy farted on record for 70 minutes today it would be full of vibrato and suck.

You know it, and I know it.

 
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Old 01-30-2022, 03:34 AM   #129
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I remember being super hyped to see them on that vh1 fashion show thing and they played crestfallen and thinking “why that song”, which I have no problem with on a normal day but it just was a weird song choice at a fashion show thing. And I think it confused people, a lot of people.

 
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Old 02-01-2022, 01:40 AM   #130
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my all time favourites:

jellybelly
here is no why
fuck you
cupid
galapgos
porcelina
thirty three
tales
ruby
xyu
by starlight
farewell and goodnight

everything else is okay but i feel little to nothing for them, or i don't need to hear them ever again
I'm mostly on board with these favorites but did you purposely leave out Muzzle? That's one of my "unskippable" tracks.

Late to the food fight here, but I rank To Forgive > For Sheila. As far as quiet acoustic opening tracks go, Soothe takes the top spot.

Back to the OP, Adore's release saw all of the Rat-in-a-Cage fans shrug in confusion and move on. I remember excitedly putting the CD into my player and listening for the first time with my girlfriend:

To Sheila... Boring. Next track.
Ava Adore.. heard the single already, not a great single. Next track.
Perfect.. ok, this sounds like 1979 but lacking that instant nostalgia that 1979 created ..Next track.

This went on through most of the album. I thought Appels + Oranjes and Pug made a good 1-2 punch, but it definitely took more than a few listens to get into the darkness imbued in the mix. I was hoping for a face shredder like Jellybelly, or an epic that could rival Ruby. For Martha just didn't cut it -- I appreciated that it meant so much to Billy, but it didn't mean much to me.

Looking back, I still enjoy tracks 4 through 13 (with Annie Dog an exception - can you imagine how the vocals would sound if he wrote it now? I think it was an early attempt at "proper" singing). Of all the songs, Pug might have been a decent single. Who knows.

 
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Old 02-01-2022, 06:01 AM   #131
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Late to the food fight here, but I rank To Forgive > For Sheila. As far as quiet acoustic opening tracks go, Soothe takes the top spot.
Though for me Soothe is a b-side to Disarm, so I always hear it in that context. Hearing it open PI was a surprise.

 
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Old 02-01-2022, 04:31 PM   #132
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so was the version of tonight

specifically thinking of the MTV "five night stand" show
I was at that concert. It was so fun to attend a televised Pumpkins show in an energized small club right before Adore's release. Hype for the Mellon Collie Band was intense. There were Adore street signs in London and Paris. Billy's solo on To Sheila was an amazing beginning. Ava/Daphne and closer Transmission rocked, and the Perfect/Tonight/Stumbleine sequence was sublime. Then they played the excellent new 1979 and Simon Le Bon performed Nightboat with them. Hell of a show.

 
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Old 02-04-2022, 09:34 PM   #133
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Lots of paragraphs in this thread to say:

Yes the hype was MASSIVE.
Yes the let down was EVEN MORE MASSIVE.
Yes was the beginning of the end.

 
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Old 02-05-2022, 06:22 AM   #134
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yep, true facts.

 
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Old 02-05-2022, 06:34 AM   #135
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Yep and still somewhere in the musical nomansland

 
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Old 02-05-2022, 06:50 AM   #136
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Yes was the beginning of the end was the beginning
Madly underrated b-side and single, too.

 
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Old 02-05-2022, 08:45 AM   #137
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I'm mostly on board with these favorites but did you purposely leave out Muzzle?
it is okay but i feel little to nothing for it, or i don't need to hear it ever again

 
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Old 02-05-2022, 10:11 AM   #138
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I feel the same with all after machina 2.......

Funnily i have no desire to listen to cyr again.

I dont know what it is, but there is something about the post 2000 pumpkins that turns me off.....there is no substance

 
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Old 02-05-2022, 05:52 PM   #139
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same kind of, except there are very few songs from after 2000 that I would qualify with "okay"

 
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Old 02-10-2022, 07:26 PM   #140
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…in Europe. In USA they were juggernauts. That said comparing Adore to Kid A…. errrr….no.
mind you, in UK not Europe.

Outside UK, nobody gave a flying fuck about Radioheads. Pumpkins drew masses, filled Arenas, Squares ie Hamburg

 
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Old 02-10-2022, 07:48 PM   #141
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Radiohead literally only have one good song and they ripped it off and refuse to play it live. I will never get their hype.

 
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Old 02-10-2022, 10:25 PM   #142
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Radiohead literally only have one good song and they ripped it off and refuse to play it live. I will never get their hype.
they don't play it live BECAUSE it's not their song....

maybe.



 
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Old 02-11-2022, 12:23 AM   #143
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I get it. You dont like radiohead. Me too.

But obviously they are still relevant.

From reddit:

Okay, one last question. You made a lot of waves last week with your quote about Radiohead. Would you like to clarify what you meant when you said, “I’ll piss on fuckin’ Radiohead, because of all this pomposity. This value system that says Jonny Greenwood is more valuable than Ritchie Blackmore”?

It’s not Radiohead that’s pompous; in fact, I think Radiohead is a great band. It’s the pomposity that surrounds Radiohead in a culture that needs to celebrate them to reaffirm their own value system. Like, “Isn’t it cool that Thom Yorke just rolls out of bed, puts on his hat, and doesn’t care?” That’s people reflecting their own values back to themselves. That’s the pomposity. That’s what I said in that quote. The culture that needs to place me behind P.J. Harvey on guitar. And I love P.J. Harvey, and I have complete admiration for her, but, c’mon, me behind P.J. Harvey on guitar? I mean, c’mon, that’s a fucking asshole, in a beard, in New York, who has to put me there to make some sort of statement.


https://www.reddit.com/r/radiohead/c...out_radiohead/

 
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Old 02-21-2022, 01:58 AM   #144
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Back in the days of AOL there were clips of the WAV files from the shows and early on B0lly even called the song Eva Adore. You could even get a full song, but it took forever, so the 30 second clips were easier to find. They had those email mailing lists and you could request the files in the SP chat room. So, people would FWD the audio files that were already uploaded by someone else, so they would not have to wait an hour to upload a 30 second .WAV file. Then they started getting bots that would send you the MP3 files of full albums before they came out. This was way before napster btw, maybe like 1997-1998 when MP3 first became a thing. I got the 1999 silverchair album that way and the james iha solo album. I already bought the adore single early on, so I did not get to hear the album until release date in 1998.

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Old 02-21-2022, 09:03 PM   #145
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Should have released apples and oranges, 1979 was the most popular single off MCIS. Unusual production choices on adore. Looking at other songs that were big that year like Madonna’s ray of light, the mix of electronic & guitar sounds could have been good for the pumpkins but the production on Adore was just a bit too…weird

 
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Old 02-22-2022, 12:32 AM   #146
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shoulda been pug

 
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Old 02-22-2022, 10:20 AM   #147
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So, people would FWD the audio files that were already uploaded by someone else, so they would not have to wait an hour to upload a 30 second .WAV file. Then they started getting bots that would send you the MP3 files of full albums before they came out. This was way before napster btw, maybe like 1997-1998 when MP3 first became a thing.
I wasn't in chat rooms at the time, but this just reminded me of all those sites that popped up, Geocities or people's college accounts or whatever, that were just links to hundreds of mp3s, just total Wild West shit before companies understood what the internet even was

I think a lot of them had RealVideo or whatever files of South Park, too, Christ, South Park was brand-new

 
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Old 02-22-2022, 12:45 PM   #148
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mind you, in UK not Europe.

Outside UK, nobody gave a flying fuck about Radioheads. Pumpkins drew masses, filled Arenas, Squares ie Hamburg
You do realize Radiohead sold more albums in the US than the UK?

Copies sold taken from Wikipedia:
Pablo Honey
US - 1.5 million+
UK - 600k+
Europe- N/A

The Bends
US - 1.5 million+
UK - 1.2 million+
Europe - 1 million+

OK Computer
US - 2 million+
UK - 1.5 million+
Europe - 3 million+

Kid A
US - 1.4 million+
UK - 300k+
Europe - 1 million+

Amnesiac
US - 1 million+
UK - 300k+
Europe - 1 million+

Hail To The Thief
US - 1.1 million+
UK - 300k+
Europe - 1 million+

In Rainbows
US - 1 million+
UK - 300k+
Europe - 500k+

The King Of Limbs
US - 370k+
UK - 100k+
Europe - N/A

A Moon Shaped Pool
US - 500k+
UK - 100k+
Europe - N/A

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Old 02-22-2022, 12:48 PM   #149
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I may as well show Pumpkins' numbers...

Gish
US - 1 million+
UK - 60k+

Siamese Dream
US - 4 million+
UK - 100k+

Mellon Collie
US - 5 million+
UK - 300k+

Adore
US - 1 million+
UK - 100k+

Machina
US - 500k+
UK - 60k+

Zeitgeist
US - 500k
UK - N/A

Europe numbers not available on Wiki. There are no certifications/numbers of copies sold listed for any albums after Zeitgeist.

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