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04-24-2009, 12:56 PM | #61 | |
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04-24-2009, 02:38 PM | #62 |
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Thanks for quoting the whole thing!
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04-24-2009, 03:51 PM | #63 |
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agreed with the original post
while I don't feel quite as backstabbed, I feel that Billy's recent behavior doesn't just expose who he is now but who he always was. just another corporate rock star. it's sad, really. I've moved on. so should we all. there is a lot more music out there by people who haven't proved themselves to be insincere swines (yet). these people aren't a decade beyond their creative peaks. and it's all widely available. they would beg you to download it and listen. goodbye Billy, hello the rest of music. |
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04-24-2009, 05:03 PM | #64 |
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04-24-2009, 05:35 PM | #65 |
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it's called highlighting and deleting
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04-24-2009, 05:38 PM | #66 |
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04-24-2009, 05:52 PM | #67 |
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04-24-2009, 08:00 PM | #68 |
Janis Jopleybird
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It's cool, KMan. I shout everything I say in a flat monotone because I can't be bothered to work at modulating my voice to express meaning. Fuck that, man, I'm tired! If you find my method of communication irksome or hard to understand, it's like, whatever, am I right? Who cares if anyone understands or listens to what I'm trying to tell them. It's not about exchanging ideas, here. I exchange enough ideas at work, you know what I'm saying? Wait, I don't care if you know what I'm saying. Doot deet doot deet doo!
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04-24-2009, 08:09 PM | #69 | |
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here's another question: have you ever had a job that actually entails real work? Or have you always been a desk jockey with no idea what work actually is. |
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04-24-2009, 10:48 PM | #70 |
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04-25-2009, 01:19 AM | #71 |
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you know i hate to, but i have to agree with this guy, i mean i love the pumpkins and try just to be into the music and not all the accompanying bullshit, but billy please man, we work at video stores and coffee houses, we can barley aford a $15 cd, and lets face it you can drink milkshakes made of hundred dollar bills every hour of every day for the rest of your life. think about the fans that have stuck by you through 20 years of bullshit, and not your unicorn hide wallet .
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04-25-2009, 01:30 AM | #72 |
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i think you guys are really overestimating billy's wealth
he hasn't really done anything that sold tremendously well for over 10 years and he's been spending his MCIS money on pieces of the gold coast. I mean it runs out eventually. A lot of famous former professional athletes turn into normal dudes that live in normal houses because they blew all that loot on nothing. I mean just try and fathom all the money Billy has spent on gutars, amps, pianos, violins, mics, sound boards, production equipment, drumsets, etc over the past decade. I really don't think this is about having fucktons of money since he already sits on a throne of gold with ample concubines rubbing his legs but he wants a olympic sized pool filled with crystal. I really think he's starting to feel a pinch and has to do something to increase his income or lose all the creature comforts he's become accustomed to. He's not Michael Dell here, dudes. Last edited by Trotskilicious : 04-25-2009 at 01:37 AM. |
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04-25-2009, 01:45 AM | #73 |
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That's a great post and I agree with it 100%. I really ignored a lot of the shit like commercials, whatever. I don't care what the man does to make money as long as his music is still great. But I haven't truly loved anything the man has done since the band broke up in 2000. A lot of the songwriting sounds like a different person, and the production and tons of layering on the vocals make him sound robotic and there's an overall lack of feeling that we've all come to love with his vocals on the first four or five records especially. I was really looking forward to the Pumpkins being back - even if James wasn't a part of it, I was on board. The live performances were great...but Zeitgeist didn't deliver. Then after the initial reunion touring, Billy fucked up even the live performances by being a primadonna and pretending that the songs that made everyone a fan of the band weren't worth playing anymore. I honestly have zero interest in the name The Smashing Pumpkins - I haven't truly loved studio material from Billy in almost decade, and now that the live shows aren't going to have any of the great genious songs we've come to love, I have no reason to support this band. And add in the fact that Jimmy is now gone (Jimmy was the saving grace on a couple of Zeitgeist songs and the live shows)...SP is over. It's a joke.
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04-25-2009, 01:56 AM | #74 |
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whenever topleybird posts, my face begins to resemble that of the cat in his avatar.
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04-25-2009, 07:12 AM | #75 |
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04-25-2009, 07:55 AM | #76 |
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mmm. that post came off as a bit whiny bitch if I can be honest. Not only that, it was all negative. There was a LOT of greatness that came from Zwan. Same with TFE. and the book tour. I still have the bootleg of the Chicago songs. I liked the zeitgeist tour-- some of the tightest sp performances to date. And I downloaded the extra Z. tracks on the internets. Who was so stupid to buy the album 5 times and then blame Billy for your own stupidity? That is laughable. You take the good and live your life. Too many people absolutely heartbroken over the personal decisions of a man they don't know.
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04-25-2009, 09:10 AM | #77 |
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04-25-2009, 10:26 AM | #78 |
Just Hook it to My Veins!
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04-25-2009, 10:31 AM | #79 | |
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04-25-2009, 10:36 AM | #80 |
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04-25-2009, 01:12 PM | #81 |
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04-25-2009, 08:37 PM | #82 |
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I'm not sure you were around in 2001/2002, but I think if you were there, at one of those early shows especially, you would not even think about calling Zwan 'fake'. Billy was all in at this point, and, in my opinion, was presenting some of the best songs he's written this decade. Those live shows were amazing, the intensity and level of commitment I believe was commendable. At that point, I was very glad Billy had left the Pumpkins, because it put him in a situation where he could re-energize and recommit. Zwan was a necessary step.
Too many people think only 'Mary Star of the Sea' when they think Zwan, neglecting the real worth of the band. Just sayin. |
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04-25-2009, 11:04 PM | #83 |
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That's because it's the only thing released by zwan. I can't hold on to the memories of a show that I never attended or the bootlegged recording. Those fleeting moments are not greatness.
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04-25-2009, 11:11 PM | #84 |
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04-25-2009, 11:34 PM | #85 |
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I never saw Zwan live, but that band means as much as SP1 to me. I still remember downloading the first show (a few songs the night of the show, and the rest the day after). It was great.
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04-25-2009, 11:46 PM | #86 |
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04-26-2009, 12:17 AM | #87 |
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Also, I don't think the original post was that good. I disagree with a lot of his points.
Zwan were great, and it was understandable that he put his back catalogue aside at the time. The other members were actually part of the band, not hired guns. They wanted to play songs they worked on together. I don't care about the visa commercial. Sure, Billy sounds like a hypocrite, but I don't believe in selling-out that way. I don't care about all the Zeitgest versions because I didn't pay for it. Basically, I think the OP focused too much on the wrong side of Billy's stupidity. I was first disappointed with him when Mary Star of the Sea came out, but I didn't pay it any mind because I thought there were great things to come. The Zwan break-up was disappointing, but it would have also been okay, if only he kept his trap shut and refrained from calling everyone else immoral. The blue blog was just a disgrace: dissing James and D'arcy, and spreading Sonia Choquette's words of light. That was when I stopped respecting him. Releasing a horrible poetry book didn't help either. The Chicago Songs had better writing than any of those poems, but he chose to release TheFutureEmbrace instead. It wasn't a bad album, but I still hoped he could do much better. Then he announced the SP reunion. I was already extremely skeptical at that point, but once the Zeitgeist pictures were leaked, I knew it was a terrible idea. It was such a terrible concept. One of the reasons why I didn't buy Zeitgeist was that I'd be embarrassed to have the artwork in my house. Oh, and it didn't help that Billy wanted those kids arrested because of the pictures. What an asshole. It turned out that Zeitgeist was worse than I imagined possible. Superchrist was mediocre, and GLOW and FOL were terrible. Also, at my very first Pumpkins show, Billy walked off and left half of the setlist unplayed. Anyway, I do love Stellar and some of the residency songs (some of which aren't on IAGW). I just think he should never have revived the Pumpkins. It would be good if he made music as a solo artist and played whatever songs he felt like playing. Only new ones, only old ones, whatever. If people--including me--didn't like the music, that would be okay. He should just quit whining about it. This list is by no means comprehensive. He has done many more terrible things. I just think the OP didn't focus on the worst ones. Last edited by Rairun : 04-26-2009 at 12:26 AM. |
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04-26-2009, 03:39 AM | #88 |
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Zwan did have some cool stuff - but Billy didn't deem the good songs worth of releasing. Go figure. He performs the good songs live with Zwan and ignores the good songs live with the Pumpkins.
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04-26-2009, 02:13 PM | #89 |
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I don't think Billy reads the boards because you have to log-in to read the SP O-board and people would know if he's on in a second. He wouldn't go on Netphoria probably because he got a virus from it and had to pay some tech support guy 100 bucks to run Norton Anti-Vrisu, AdAware and install Firefox / Adblock or what have you.
He skims the entries on the frontpage of the site and decides based on that. So go post it there. |
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04-26-2009, 10:16 PM | #90 |
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that post was epic and thank you for saying what so many of us have been thinking for awhile.
i have been a fan since 1993. yes, i am one of those for whom "siamese dream changed my life," and inspired me to learn the guitar. and now 16 years later that is the career path i ma currently on. i defended for the blunders to friends over the years, but it has been becoming to much. its just not the same anymore. and this is coming from somebody who loved zeitgeist too. raved about their live show. but this shift within the last year is starting to taint all of the past for me. starting with american gothic, and moving into if all goes wrong and these recent endeavors such as the subscription. watching the dvd and really realizing that my all time musical idol is probably somebody i would have no interest in meeting anymore, because it seems pretty obvious to me that after that my opinion of him wold never go back. that was very well written. mad rep. |
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