Indepent Record Store - Atomic Records (Pisces Iscariot Connection) Whines About SP

theghostchild · 07-11-2007, 01:28 PM

Many of you may have seen Billy's Atomic Records tshirt, which he is wearing inside the Pisces Iscariot book. Atomic Records, located on Locust St in Milwaukee is a nice little Independent Record store...but also has the snooty/hipper than thou attitude. SP even played an acoustic instore show back in the Gish era. Anyways, I receive a weekly email from them listing the new releases. Upon receiving the e-mail, I had a difficult time finding the Smashing Pumpkins even listed.

Well, I did find SP listed...at THE BOTTOM of the list of new releases...under almost 50 OTHER RELEASES Why? Here is what whiny Atomic had to say....

"Smashing Pumpkins - Zeitgeist CD/Special Edition CD (Reprise)
Once upon a time, Atomic Records practically revolved around Smashing Pumpkins. This here release isn't really Smashing Pumpkins, at least not any version of the band that we recognize. And their efforts to market this release (i.e. rip off the fans and indie stores ) make us gag. That said, we will still stock it out of some misguided sense of tradition and as a service to our customers who are still able to handle Billy's whiny bray."

I generally like this shop, but I had to disagree with outright bitching...but I did email them back saying...

To [email protected]:
"I just wanted to state that I think your words regarding the Smashing Pumpkins and Billy Corgan are a bit harsh. I am well aware of SP's history, but bashing them for not giving independents an exclusive is not the way to go about it! Because of your comments, I will purchase it elsewhere."

I didn't want to be an asshole...but I also wanted them too know bitching about not getting an exclusive is not the way to go about things....your a fucking independent ....take the business you can get!

vitaldust · 07-11-2007, 01:37 PM

indie is bullshit
hipster is bullshit

zeitgeist = lie burning

Pmack · 07-11-2007, 02:12 PM

What, you don't think they have a valid point? Atomic Records supported the Pumpkins when they were nobody, and a decade down the road, they are rewarded by being offered the opportunity to sell a version of the album without bonus tracks.

I welcome the announcement of the Best Buy acoustic show.

if there is a llama · 07-11-2007, 02:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Pmack

What, you don't think they have a valid point? Atomic Records supported the Pumpkins when they were nobody, and a decade down the road, they are rewarded by being offered the opportunity to sell a version of the album without bonus tracks.

I welcome the announcement of the Best Buy acoustic show.

Billy obviously gave them some free press in return, didn't he?

I'd like to see a list of artists which have never given any exclusive tracks (or celebrity playlists) to iTunes or any major chain.

if there is a llama · 07-11-2007, 02:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pmack

I welcome the announcement of the Best Buy acoustic show.

Oh yeah. I got to meet the Pumpkins at a signing in a Best Buy on the Resume the Pose tour (before Machina was released). That good enough for you?

theghostchild · 07-11-2007, 03:24 PM

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Originally Posted by ciGarki

they're pathetic for wanting a hand out. corgan probably did more for them then they did for him, after its all said and done. fuck that store and fuck their entitlement attitude.

Yeah..this is my point...the Pumpkins, ie, Billy, has done more for this record shop than they have done for them ..and this one time, they are not getting a free handout. I am not pro-corporate America by any means...and I support the independents, but expecting and bitching about it, in a customer newsletter is the wrong way of addressing the subject.

I just found it disappointing on their part.

runnersdialzero · 07-11-2007, 03:25 PM

that store is just turning it around for even more sp related free press. weak. my local indie store stopped listing it 2 weeks prior... i took it as some sort of dis in their direction.

Heat6Jones · 07-11-2007, 03:36 PM

Major chains are more accessible to a majority of fans. One can easily say that by working through major retailers, Billy is putting fans first.

porcelina56 · 07-11-2007, 03:39 PM

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Originally Posted by if there is a llama

Oh yeah. I got to meet the Pumpkins at a signing in a Best Buy on the Resume the Pose tour (before Machina was released). That good enough for you?

Ha, me too... got to meet them at the Best Buy in North Olmsted, OH. I was fresh out of college and had to work that day. I got a buddy of mine to agree to stand in line for me all day and get me a wristband in return for a six pack. Not a bad trade

The Trashbirds · 07-11-2007, 03:42 PM

Quote:

"Smashing Pumpkins - Zeitgeist CD/Special Edition CD (Reprise)
Once upon a time, Atomic Records practically revolved around Smashing Pumpkins. This here release isn't really Smashing Pumpkins, at least not any version of the band that we recognize. And their efforts to market this release (i.e. rip off the fans and indie stores ) make us gag. That said, we will still stock it out of some misguided sense of tradition and as a service to our customers who are still able to handle Billy's whiny bray."
of SP's history, but bashing them for not giving independents an exclusive is not the way to go about it! Because of your comments, I will purchase it elsewhere."[/i]

Translate: "Boo hoo! Best Buy is putting us out of business and its all Billy's fault!!! Why couldn't WE stock an album with a bonus track? I hate Billy Corgan. The new Smashing Pumpkins don't count!"

Well, I guess its a good thing that they aren't the arbiters of what is and isn't the Smashing Pumpkins. Those self-righteous ass clowns can go fuck themselves.

theghostchild · 07-11-2007, 03:46 PM

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Originally Posted by The Trashbirds

Translate: "Boo hoo! Best Buy is putting us out of business and its all Billy's fault!!! Why couldn't WE stock an album with a bonus track? I hate Billy Corgan. The new Smashing Pumpkins don't count!"

Well, I guess its a good thing that they aren't the arbiters of what is and isn't the Smashing Pumpkins. Those self-righteous ass clowns can go fuck themselves.

Hahahahaha, exactly!

homechicago · 07-11-2007, 09:46 PM

why are indie stores using the spotlight to show how pretentious they can be? how does that help business? i'm supposed to be sad if atomic shutters it's doors for taking a stance against zeitgeist to impress some hipster wearing an oddly colored chappeau? sp PLAYED there and they bitch? whatever.

nanowerx · 07-11-2007, 09:50 PM

You know, if every store got a "bonus" track.....well it wouldnt be all that "bonus-y"

TuralyonW3 · 07-11-2007, 09:52 PM

what the fuck does his "whiny bray" have to do with not having the original members and not giving indie stores an exclusive. lol.

Pretzel Logic · 07-11-2007, 09:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by vitaldust

indie is bullshit
hipster is bullshit

zeitgeist = lie burning

qft

homechicago · 07-11-2007, 09:56 PM

...and furthermore, indie stores would all want their own individual packaging, no? wouldn't they be more credibly indie by NOT succumbing to the smattering of exclusives?

i've never really thought so much about the snottiness of indie stores (just kinda ignored it because of the good varied selections) unitl now.

Travis_Wright · 07-11-2007, 10:02 PM

who is going to pay high prices at indie stores anyway?? indie stores rip off americans, that's why they are dying and that's why they can go fuck themselves. i went to our local record exchange last week and the new releases were $15.99.... i mean come the fuck on... they only have 3 employees so there is no need to jack the fucking prices up that much.

douche bags.

null123 · 07-11-2007, 10:04 PM

everybody says it like they're the first ones to think it. "wow guys like this isn't the Smashing Pumpkins really if you really think about it, you know..."

null123 · 07-11-2007, 10:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Travis_Wright

who is going to pay high prices at indie stores anyway?? indie stores rip off americans, that's why they are dying and that's why they can go fuck themselves. i went to our local record exchange last week and the new releases were $15.99.... i mean come the fuck on... they only have 3 employees so there is no need to jack the fucking prices up that much.

douche bags.

Americans are willing to sacrifice integrity to save $3, that's why the indie store is dying.

Dogfighter28 · 07-11-2007, 10:10 PM

I routinely buy CD's for around 12 bucks at my local store. They take of 2 dollars if you special order through myspace. Also, if you special order through the store you get 10% off. They have a CD of the week that is half price each week. There are good indie stores, so don't call them douchebags. Some of them set prices low yet are striving to just keep their heads above the financial waters.

Travis_Wright · 07-11-2007, 10:11 PM

integrity has nothing to do with money

homechicago · 07-11-2007, 10:12 PM

i don't think indie stores are ripping off customers because they don't have corporate sugar daddies to pay rent and cover payroll. i do however think it's dumb business to NOT stock music from a band that is likely to move merchandise. i'm disappointed in reckless and atomic (pretty sure i've been there at least once)

17 Seconds · 07-11-2007, 10:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Travis_Wright

who is going to pay high prices at indie stores anyway?? indie stores rip off americans, that's why they are dying and that's why they can go fuck themselves. i went to our local record exchange last week and the new releases were $15.99.... i mean come the fuck on... they only have 3 employees so there is no need to jack the fucking prices up that much.

douche bags.

The reason why they are dying is because the mega stores price the cds at such a razor-thin margin to get customers into the store with the hope that they will buy other items. The record stores only have records to sell, thus the margin has to be higher.

The record stores aren't ripping anyone off -- they just aren't "giving" it away.

nanowerx · 07-11-2007, 10:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by homechicago

...and furthermore, indie stores would all want their own individual packaging, no? wouldn't they be more credibly indie by NOT succumbing to the smattering of exclusives?

i've never really thought so much about the snottiness of indie stores (just kinda ignored it because of the good varied selections) unitl now.

I even make it a point to normally goto local indie record shops when I buy music......sure it costs a little more, but I look at it as supporting my community over a conglomerate. Well, nice to see how those stores really feel about customers such as myself. Its shit like this that is driving the indie store in obscurity.....not Billy Corgan.

Really, as much good as Billy has done for the small timers and charities, he sure does come off as satan to some people

homechicago · 07-11-2007, 10:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nanowerx

I even make it a point to normally goto local indie record shops when I buy music......sure it costs a little more, but I look at it as supporting my community over a conglomerate. Well, nice to see how those stores really feel about customers such as myself. Its shit like this that is driving the indie store in obscurity.....not Billy Corgan.

Really, as much good as Billy has done for the small timers and charities, he sure does come off as satan to some people

amen (wait, was that too religious?)

jjbjjbjjb · 07-11-2007, 10:21 PM

My feeling is that where there once was a mutually respectful and mutually beneficial relationship between the Pumpkins and the indie stores, those days are long gone. The music snobs who run the vast majority of indie stores -- who DON'T really need (or supposedly care that much about) more money, by the way -- have loved to hate Billy for a decade or more now, even as they made money all along by selling his records. It's probably past time they were shuffled to the back of the gravy train.

nanowerx · 07-11-2007, 10:33 PM

You know, now that I think about it, I dont remember any local indie stores around here (redundant?) heavily promoting the Pumpkins after they fell off the MCIS wave

so fuck 'em

Nate the Grate · 07-11-2007, 10:38 PM

My local indie store had tons of the special edition and the regular album available. And the guy was nice when he rang me up.

Sounds like your places care more about their indie aesthetic than they do about serving customers.

Pmack · 07-11-2007, 10:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jjbjjbjjb

The music snobs who run the vast majority of indie stores -- who DON'T really need (or supposedly care that much about) more money,

The dork behind the counter may not care about more money, but I assure you, the owner who has to pay the rent and pay said dork certainly cares about more money.

if there is a llama · 07-11-2007, 10:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by porcelina56

Ha, me too... got to meet them at the Best Buy in North Olmsted, OH. I was fresh out of college and had to work that day. I got a buddy of mine to agree to stand in line for me all day and get me a wristband in return for a six pack. Not a bad trade

That's really funny. I was at that same one. I skipped high school to wait overnight.

07-11-2007, 01:28 PM	#1
theghostchild Demi-God Location: The Home of Gish Posts: 408	Indepent Record Store - Atomic Records (Pisces Iscariot Connection) Whines About SP Many of you may have seen Billy's Atomic Records tshirt, which he is wearing inside the Pisces Iscariot book. Atomic Records, located on Locust St in Milwaukee is a nice little Independent Record store...but also has the snooty/hipper than thou attitude. SP even played an acoustic instore show back in the Gish era. Anyways, I receive a weekly email from them listing the new releases. Upon receiving the e-mail, I had a difficult time finding the Smashing Pumpkins even listed. Well, I did find SP listed...at THE BOTTOM of the list of new releases...under almost 50 OTHER RELEASES Why? Here is what whiny Atomic had to say.... "Smashing Pumpkins - Zeitgeist CD/Special Edition CD (Reprise) Once upon a time, Atomic Records practically revolved around Smashing Pumpkins. This here release isn't really Smashing Pumpkins, at least not any version of the band that we recognize. And their efforts to market this release (i.e. rip off the fans and indie stores ) make us gag. That said, we will still stock it out of some misguided sense of tradition and as a service to our customers who are still able to handle Billy's whiny bray." I generally like this shop, but I had to disagree with outright bitching...but I did email them back saying... To [email protected]: "I just wanted to state that I think your words regarding the Smashing Pumpkins and Billy Corgan are a bit harsh. I am well aware of SP's history, but bashing them for not giving independents an exclusive is not the way to go about it! Because of your comments, I will purchase it elsewhere." I didn't want to be an asshole...but I also wanted them too know bitching about not getting an exclusive is not the way to go about things....your a fucking independent ....take the business you can get!

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homechicago Apocalyptic Poster Location: THIS IS IT! Posts: 2,921	why are indie stores using the spotlight to show how pretentious they can be? how does that help business? i'm supposed to be sad if atomic shutters it's doors for taking a stance against zeitgeist to impress some hipster wearing an oddly colored chappeau? sp PLAYED there and they bitch? whatever. __________________ "I love being in the Doobies, so smooth..." - Michael McDonald, Episode 1 To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 5 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

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07-11-2007, 01:37 PM	#2
vitaldust Apocalyptic Poster Location: a melting apocalyptic jungle bleeding out of me like a dream Posts: 1,092	indie is bullshit hipster is bullshit zeitgeist = lie burning

07-11-2007, 02:12 PM	#3
Pmack Demi-God Posts: 344	What, you don't think they have a valid point? Atomic Records supported the Pumpkins when they were nobody, and a decade down the road, they are rewarded by being offered the opportunity to sell a version of the album without bonus tracks. I welcome the announcement of the Best Buy acoustic show.

07-11-2007, 03:25 PM	#7
runnersdialzero Ownz Posts: 659	that store is just turning it around for even more sp related free press. weak. my local indie store stopped listing it 2 weeks prior... i took it as some sort of dis in their direction.

07-11-2007, 03:36 PM	#8
Heat6Jones Demi-God Location: North Carolina Posts: 335	Major chains are more accessible to a majority of fans. One can easily say that by working through major retailers, Billy is putting fans first.

07-11-2007, 09:50 PM	#13
nanowerx Demi-God Location: Georgia Posts: 265	You know, if every store got a "bonus" track.....well it wouldnt be all that "bonus-y"

07-11-2007, 09:52 PM	#14
TuralyonW3 Immortal Posts: 25,623	what the fuck does his "whiny bray" have to do with not having the original members and not giving indie stores an exclusive. lol.

07-11-2007, 09:56 PM	#16
homechicago Apocalyptic Poster Location: THIS IS IT! Posts: 2,921	...and furthermore, indie stores would all want their own individual packaging, no? wouldn't they be more credibly indie by NOT succumbing to the smattering of exclusives? i've never really thought so much about the snottiness of indie stores (just kinda ignored it because of the good varied selections) unitl now.

07-11-2007, 10:02 PM	#17
Travis_Wright Ownz Location: winston salem, north carolina, usa Posts: 943	who is going to pay high prices at indie stores anyway?? indie stores rip off americans, that's why they are dying and that's why they can go fuck themselves. i went to our local record exchange last week and the new releases were $15.99.... i mean come the fuck on... they only have 3 employees so there is no need to jack the fucking prices up that much. douche bags.

07-11-2007, 10:04 PM	#18
null123 Minion of Satan Location: bye Posts: 7,266	everybody says it like they're the first ones to think it. "wow guys like this isn't the Smashing Pumpkins really if you really think about it, you know..."

07-11-2007, 10:10 PM	#20
Dogfighter28 ILL KILL UR DOG Location: Atlanta, GA Posts: 11,477	I routinely buy CD's for around 12 bucks at my local store. They take of 2 dollars if you special order through myspace. Also, if you special order through the store you get 10% off. They have a CD of the week that is half price each week. There are good indie stores, so don't call them douchebags. Some of them set prices low yet are striving to just keep their heads above the financial waters.

07-11-2007, 10:11 PM	#21
Travis_Wright Ownz Location: winston salem, north carolina, usa Posts: 943	integrity has nothing to do with money

07-11-2007, 10:12 PM	#22
homechicago Apocalyptic Poster Location: THIS IS IT! Posts: 2,921	i don't think indie stores are ripping off customers because they don't have corporate sugar daddies to pay rent and cover payroll. i do however think it's dumb business to NOT stock music from a band that is likely to move merchandise. i'm disappointed in reckless and atomic (pretty sure i've been there at least once)

07-11-2007, 10:21 PM	#26
jjbjjbjjb Demi-God Location: Austin Posts: 475	My feeling is that where there once was a mutually respectful and mutually beneficial relationship between the Pumpkins and the indie stores, those days are long gone. The music snobs who run the vast majority of indie stores -- who DON'T really need (or supposedly care that much about) more money, by the way -- have loved to hate Billy for a decade or more now, even as they made money all along by selling his records. It's probably past time they were shuffled to the back of the gravy train.

07-11-2007, 10:33 PM	#27
nanowerx Demi-God Location: Georgia Posts: 265	You know, now that I think about it, I dont remember any local indie stores around here (redundant?) heavily promoting the Pumpkins after they fell off the MCIS wave so fuck 'em

07-11-2007, 10:38 PM	#28
Nate the Grate Minion of Satan Posts: 6,212	My local indie store had tons of the special edition and the regular album available. And the guy was nice when he rang me up. Sounds like your places care more about their indie aesthetic than they do about serving customers.