Corgan on Ask Anything Chat

[dreams of glass]

You are all probably burnt out on hearing Corgan interviews, but this popped up in my youtube recs, and it's actually quite good, in that he answers questions from fans, just like the Reddit AMA.

[Cool As Ice Cream]

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[dreams of glass]

thanks

[dreams of glass]

He basically says that Oceania was an attempt to balance people's expectations with what he wanted to do creatively, but that it didn't work, so he decided to "punch everyone in the face", make a pop album, and if it was a success, go back to being an art band.

Pretty much sums it up

[Elphenor]

But MTAE was less of a success lol

[MyOneAndOnly]

Not a punch. More like a limp wristed slap.

[MyOneAndOnly]

Bill should spend a couple of years doing soundtracks for animated movies. That might get him the popular acclaim he's searching for.

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[Araneae]

Originally Posted by scottytheoneand

Bill should spend a couple of years doing soundtracks for animated movies. That might get him the popular acclaim he's searching for.

It's not from a lack of trying. I don't think anyone wants to hire Billy to make soundtracks, everything seems to fall through. He just doesn't seem to be on the same page. He did the Ransom soundtrack and apparently the people he worked with hated it. He was also supposed to do the soundtrack for CNN's Chicagoland but it fell through because they didn't like the direction he was going in (they felt it didn't fit the scenes or the content). Movie soundtracks, especially great movie soundtracks, are an art form. Whereas Billy just seems to want to make whatever he wants rather than really try and understand a film and what it needs. Often times subtly and editing are very much needed in those situations, which are two of Billy's weaknesses.

[Araneae]

Originally Posted by dreams of glass

and if it was a success, go back to being an art band.

When was SP ever an "art band?"

[Elphenor]

100% no

[Elphenor]

SP is a pop band with some Art Band influences

Edit: And also a Prog and heavy metal band at times

[Ram27]

Originally Posted by dreams of glass

He basically says that Oceania was an attempt to balance people's expectations with what he wanted to do creatively, but that it didn't work, so he decided to "punch everyone in the face", make a pop album, and if it was a success, go back to being an art band.

Pretty much sums it up

http://i.imgur.com/tJaBJjl.gif

[pavementtune]

Originally Posted by Araneae

It's not from a lack of trying. I don't think anyone wants to hire Billy to make soundtracks, everything seems to fall through. He just doesn't seem to be on the same page. He did the Ransom soundtrack and apparently the people he worked with hated it. He was also supposed to do the soundtrack for CNN's Chicagoland but it fell through because they didn't like the direction he was going in (they felt it didn't fit the scenes or the content). Movie soundtracks, especially great movie soundtracks, are an art form. Whereas Billy just seems to want to make whatever he wants rather than really try and understand a film and what it needs. Often times subtly and editing are very much needed in those situations, which are two of Billy's weaknesses.

speaking of soundtracks, I read up on the producer of Manson's new album, Tyler Bates, he also did the Watchmen soundtrack.
Watchmen had a Pumpkins track in the trailer, but it never ended up on the actual soundtrack. Does anybody know why? Seems odd.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Watchme...Motion_Picture

The Grammy Award-winning song The End Is the Beginning Is the End originally composed by American alternative rock band The Smashing Pumpkins for Batman & Robin's soundtrack, although used in a promotional trailer, was not included in Watchmen's soundtrack.

[Araneae]

If I'm not mistaken rumor had it that it was because Watchmen was released by Warner Bros., which was the same label that Zeitgeist was released on (Reprise). It was meant to be a sort of promo vehicle.

[topleybird]

Originally Posted by Araneae

He did the Ransom soundtrack and apparently the people he worked with hated it.

When that report came out recently of all the songs the CIA has used to torture prisoners, do you think Billy scanned through the list real quick and was disappointed they hadn't used his contributions to the Ransom soundtrack

Because I did and I was

[Araneae]

If they knew about its existence I think it would have made the list...but I feel like nobody deserves to be exposed to that. Maybe AEGEA will make the next list.

[Araneae]

Originally Posted by Elphenor

SP is a pop band with some Art Band influences
Edit: And also a Prog and heavy metal band at times

SP has generally been accessible alt rock/pop/metal music. I guess you can kind of make an argument for Adore but it's not really art band music. It borrows more heavily from the electronica and trip hop genres of the time. None of it has really been avant-garde. I wouldn't even classify anything SP has done as progressive rock. Maybe Machina makes an argument for it, as it borrows heavily from the shoegaze genre.

I don't know, I've just never thought of SP as an art band and I've never seen or heard anyone who does either. So it's kind of weird to see Billy say that he's going to go back to being an art band.

[Elphenor]

I think most of his music is pop with a ton of influences from other genres and that's where his commercial success comes from.

But he does have 7+ minute hard Rock and metal epics

[Catherine Wheel]

Adore has some art rock moments. Machina is shoegaze. So You can kind of make a case for them being an art band with those two albums.

[Araneae]

I guess it really comes down to Billy's own definition of what art band music means to him (if it's 7+ minutes of hard rock/metal epics or something like AEGEA). If he thinks MTAE is a punch in the face then who knows what direction he's going to take D4N.

Originally Posted by Catherine Wheel

Adore has some art rock moments. Machina is shoegaze. So You can kind of make a case for them being an art band with those two albums.

That's what I said, but I still think it's kind of a stretch, especially the way he phrased it.

[Elphenor]

The term doesn't really mean anything

But when I think of "Art music" I'm thinking of music that's not necessarily enjoyable in the traditional sense like pop is. It's meant to stretch the boundaries of what's possible in the medium while making some sort of statement.

[Araneae]

I've seen a few attempts at defining the term but it is quite broad. I've seen it more used to describe unconventional themes and unconventional juxtapositions of music genres (i.e. chamber music and rock music).

[absof]

Originally Posted by pavementtune

speaking of soundtracks, I read up on the producer of Manson's new album, Tyler Bates, he also did the Watchmen soundtrack.
Watchmen had a Pumpkins track in the trailer, but it never ended up on the actual soundtrack. Does anybody know why? Seems odd.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Watchme...Motion_Picture

Watchmen was set in the 80's. That's my guess for why it wasn't actually used in the film.
I'm pretty sure the trailer was debuted during screenings of The Dark Knight, too.

[Araneae]

Originally Posted by absof

Watchmen was set in the 80's. That's my guess for why it wasn't actually used in the film.

The soundtrack included a song by My Chemical Romance, though it is a Dylan cover. I think it was featured in the end credits.

TEITBITE was made for Batman & Robin, another Warner Bros. film. They must have some usage rights there.

Originally Posted by absof

I'm pretty sure the trailer was debuted during screenings of The Dark Knight, too.

It was, that's where I first saw it. I think it was summer of 2008.

[Modern90's]

He got really pissed on the last question

[seign]

Originally Posted by dreams of glass

You are all probably burnt out on hearing Corgan interviews, but this popped up in my youtube recs, and it's actually quite good, in that he answers questions from fans, just like the Reddit AMA.

Just like a reddit AMA only, the questions are screened before hand and only the ones he wants to answer are included so exactly the opposite of what "ask me anything" really means.

[SensibleChuckle]

Originally Posted by seign

Just like a reddit AMA only, the questions are screened before hand and only the ones he wants to answer are included so exactly the opposite of what "ask me anything" really means.

Eh, at least Reddit's AMA's are more transparent. In AMA's you are able to ask anything and the answers are mostly spontaneous, but he doesn't have to answer everything. You get to see what the person chose to ignore.

These questions could have been prepared in advance and given to him, there's really no way of knowing.

[dreams of glass]

Originally Posted by Araneae

When was SP ever an "art band?"

his words, not mine.

[dreams of glass]

Originally Posted by seign

Just like a reddit AMA only, the questions are screened before hand and only the ones he wants to answer are included so exactly the opposite of what "ask me anything" really means.

Semantics, he didn't answer every question on Reddit.