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12-27-2014, 06:39 PM | #1 |
Virgo
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question about zwan songwriting credits
el sol, ride a black swan, and jesus i/mary all have co-writing credits as "traditional". what are these lyrics/songs originally sourced from?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mary_St...#Track_listing |
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12-27-2014, 06:50 PM | #2 |
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The El Sol line "A little sunshine just to butter my toast" comes from the old expression, "butter my toast with sunshine!" which was a code to request sodomy in 16th century London.
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12-27-2014, 06:56 PM | #3 |
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The lyrics from "Jesus, I" are from an old hymn called, "Jesus, I have taken my cross."
Here's the original hymn: https://www.hymnal.net/en/hymn/h/460 |
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12-27-2014, 07:03 PM | #4 |
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thanks for that link. i remember that one being from a hymn (but couldn't remember the exact one so thanks again) but never noticed the credits for the other songs. those are the ones i'm more interested in.
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12-27-2014, 07:05 PM | #5 | |
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12-27-2014, 08:18 PM | #6 |
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I’m not sure about the other two, I’ve wondered the same but I’ve never come across any information about it. My guess is that it’s from some obscure recording from some lesser known jazz, gospel or folk artist. The African American hymns and folk songs tend to be lesser known, I mean people are still disputing the origins of sinnerman.
I quite liked a number of his Zwan era lyrics. I really like the lyrics to Ride a Black Swan, the simple chorus alone is pretty nice. |
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12-27-2014, 08:21 PM | #7 | |
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12-27-2014, 08:22 PM | #8 |
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i maybe thought by now someone had tracked all of this down. i tried browsing amsp a day or so ago but it was weird on an ipad
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12-27-2014, 08:47 PM | #9 |
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I know what you mean, my origins comment was just me trying to illustrate how obscure African American folk songs can be as opposed to Anglican hymns.
I’ve searched and asked around in the past and I’ve not come across any information about the other two. The lack of information also made me wonder if the arrangement and not the lyrics are traditional. |
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12-27-2014, 08:48 PM | #10 |
Virgo
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so puzzling
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12-27-2014, 08:50 PM | #11 |
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these would have been great (maybe?) for the AMA
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12-27-2014, 08:50 PM | #12 |
Virgo
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story o my life doe : a day late and a dollar short
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12-27-2014, 08:50 PM | #13 |
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I would have a hard time actually tracking it down, but I specifically remember an interview where Billy said a good number of the songs that ended up on the Zwan record came from a church hymnal he found in Yelena's house.
He said he started reading the lyrics, and because he could not read music, started making up his own chord progressions to them. |
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12-27-2014, 08:53 PM | #14 | |
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but then again i guess that would apply to djali zwan songs too. i never thought of it like that before. |
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12-27-2014, 08:59 PM | #15 |
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It was from the Chicago songs era, from what I remember. He had some blog going on his friends website, Integral something. I think they were folk songs. At the time Yelena was working on her paintings that were inspired by Ukrainian folk stories.
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12-27-2014, 08:51 PM | #16 |
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coulda been my key to gatekeeper status
coulda been standing there with mah arms folded judging folks |
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12-27-2014, 08:53 PM | #17 |
Virgo
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i've been meaning to brush up on zwan era print articles but i remember the article yr referencing
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12-27-2014, 09:00 PM | #18 |
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integral naked was the site
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12-27-2014, 09:02 PM | #19 |
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I always thought some of the album song choices had to do with cutting out co-writing credits from the pajo and sweeny.
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12-27-2014, 09:07 PM | #20 |
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Given the songs that ended up on the album I wondered that as well. Weren't the other members upset? I remember either Sweeny or Pajo saying that Billy told them they needed a more pop rock record to get peoples attention, and that then they were supposedly going to release the Djali Zwan material after.
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12-29-2014, 12:26 PM | #21 |
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12-27-2014, 09:19 PM | #22 |
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yea i remember some of the audio interviews on archive (there aren't many for zwan) and billy talks specifically about how there are songs that are going to be on the album taht are co-written by all/some members of the band but then on the album when it actually comes out there is only i think one (settle down).
i'm telling you guys - it was the managers fault - eilliott roberts aka "the only manager that needs a manager" |
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12-27-2014, 09:20 PM | #23 |
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musicians in bands don't decide what songs make the albums, that's what producers are for.
mary star - produced by billy & bjorn. |
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12-27-2014, 09:21 PM | #24 |
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he played on billy's grandiose sensibilities and turned him into the bona-fide business butthole he is known for
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12-27-2014, 09:21 PM | #25 |
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there you go - bjorns name again
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12-27-2014, 09:29 PM | #26 |
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I remember people freaking out when they first heard “Danger Boy,” some going as far to say it was the best thing that Billy had done in a long time...only to then find out that it was written by Sweeny and Pajo.
Billy doesn’t like to share credit; he can’t have anyone disputing his role as a genius. It still amazes me how angry he gets when people say that mayo is their favorite song. He has now disowned the song just because he shares a credit with James. |
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12-27-2014, 11:21 PM | #27 |
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He's done instrumentals on the reissues for Soma, Take Me Down, and Summer
But he sings on Soma What does it mean find out next |
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12-28-2014, 02:17 AM | #28 |
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Guess we'll have to wait for the Zwan boxset
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12-29-2014, 12:28 PM | #29 |
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Dear Corg,
Please stop shitting on your own career. |
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12-29-2014, 01:06 PM | #30 |
Virgo
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The djalinzwan stuff was supposed to be a dvd release. I cant help but wonder if bcs subsequent plans about the chicagonsongs was just another version of that same idea sunce zwan broke up.
Everybody wanted to know what happened to the acoustic material when mary star of the sea came out. |
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