Gish or Zeitgeist? - Page 2

brothergoddard · 03-13-2008, 04:35 PM

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Originally Posted by SpFission

Rhinoceros and Snail are better anything on Zeitgeist though.

cant agree-tarantula is imo a great

redbull · 03-13-2008, 04:41 PM

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Originally Posted by brothergoddard

absolutely can put on an album whenever, they have songs for all moods, and true it does ultimately all come down to personal taste.

ouch the poll seems conclusive are you guys not zeitgeist fans?

eat shit

Oposie · 03-13-2008, 04:42 PM

I like them lots both, but in general, of their studio albums...SD>MCIS>Zeitgeist>Machina I&II>Gish>Adore.

I surprise myself, typing that almost unconsciously. Zeitgeist ranks higher and is a better record than I thought...hmm.

I like them all! Okay..?

brothergoddard · 03-13-2008, 04:44 PM

[quote=Oposie;3199196]I like them lots both, but in general, of their studio albums...SD>MCIS>Zeitgeist>Machina I&II>Gish>Adore.

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machina I and II ahead of gish and adore. really?

Oposie · 03-13-2008, 05:02 PM

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Originally Posted by brothergoddard

machina I and II ahead of gish and adore. really?

Sure, I believe that period of the band to be one of the most creative and musically ambitious. For me, Billy hadn't developed as a lyricist @ the time of Gish (though it rocks) and I'm sorry, but I just do not like Adore @ all. Full stop.

Everything about the Machina era was cool for me, the Drop C tunings, the pretentious song titles, the mystery tale about the themes and meanings of the records..."TEG", "I of the Mourning", "Stand Inside Your Love", "Speed Kills", "If There Is A God", etc. Brilliant stuff, thumping anything on Gish or Adore.

IMHO, of course.

(I'll probably be banned. Adore is not easily criticized in these parts...)

pete · 03-13-2008, 05:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Oposie

(I'll probably be banned. Adore is not easily criticized in these parts...)

What are you talking about?! Nephoria is a generous, forgiving and always welcomes opinions to be expressed.

Oposie · 03-13-2008, 05:16 PM

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Originally Posted by pete

What are you talking about?! Nephoria is a generous, forgiving and always welcomes opinions to be expressed.

I know, but I fear I Adore Adore. She scares me.

pete · 03-13-2008, 05:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Oposie

I know, but I fear I Adore Adore. She scares me.

Dont worry dude, if she starts giving you beef, I have cousins in Ireland you can stay with them.

greedo · 03-13-2008, 07:31 PM

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Originally Posted by i_adore_adore

My friends make fun of me and ask me all the time, "Are the Pumpkins the only band you listen to?" (they're not, for the record...) But really, they've been so stylistically diverse that I feel like I can put a Pumpkins album on no matter what mood I'm in.

The same happens to me too...it probably doesn't help that I also listen to a hell of a lot of Zwan and occasionally Billy's solo album.

From what I've heard of it, the new REM album is going to take over in a couple of weeks though...

greedo · 03-13-2008, 07:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Oposie

Sure, I believe that period of the band to be one of the most creative and musically ambitious. For me, Billy hadn't developed as a lyricist @ the time of Gish (though it rocks) and I'm sorry, but I just do not like Adore @ all. Full stop.

Everything about the Machina era was cool for me, the Drop C tunings, the pretentious song titles, the mystery tale about the themes and meanings of the records..."TEG", "I of the Mourning", "Stand Inside Your Love", "Speed Kills", "If There Is A God", etc. Brilliant stuff, thumping anything on Gish or Adore.

IMHO, of course.

(I'll probably be banned. Adore is not easily criticized in these parts...)

I'm with you about the Machina stuff. It may shock some of the Nazis around here, but the Machina era is probably the most iconic to me (probably because that's the time I really got into the band big time and started downloading b-sides and bootlegs and videos)

I love Adore, but I like the Machina albums more.

runnersdialzero · 03-13-2008, 08:07 PM

this isn't a dumb question, i would say that both albums have about the same number of songs that i dig and do not dig, but i guess gish gets it because of its sincerity.... and psychedelia and non-goo goo dolls production.

SD>MCIS>Adore=Gish>Zeigeist>TFE>Machina II>Machina=Zwan

flyfire · 03-13-2008, 08:17 PM

Give me a G...

null123 · 03-13-2008, 08:22 PM

SD>MCIS>Machina II=Adore>Machina I>Gish>Hybrid Theory>Zeitgeist

maoi · 03-13-2008, 08:35 PM

personally i would rank them this way, from best to least best:

Fabulous Muscles
The Airforce
A Promise
Knife Play
Women As Lovers
La Foret

vaccine · 03-13-2008, 08:36 PM

SD>MCIS>Adore>PI>Gish>MSOTS>Machina/Machina II>Zeitgeist

Imho.

Nate the Grate · 03-13-2008, 08:40 PM

Gish Era is better than Zeitgeist Era

Gish itself, to me, is pretty boring. I dislike a great deal of it. I find Suffer, Crush, Window Paine, and Daydream to be insufferable, and I Am One and Siva are blah. I do like Snail and Bury Me quite a bit. Rhino is brilliant. So, I find half of the album completely unlistenable, so it loses.

And, to pile on, I think Mary Star of the Sea is better than Gish. But not TFE, TFE is the bottom of the barrel.

Ramdust · 03-13-2008, 08:48 PM

MCIS=SD=(Drown,Glynis)>Adore=PI>Gish=TAFH=DjaliZwan=Spun>Machina=Machina 2>Zwan>Zeitgeist>TFE

mojo · 03-13-2008, 09:20 PM

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Originally Posted by i_adore_adore

Gish > SD

ce n'est pas vrai.

dudehitscar · 03-13-2008, 10:22 PM

better singing, better production, fresher sound, heartfelt lyrics, great mood on the slow songs, Snail and Siva all put Gish way over Zietgeist.

Gish was my least favorite pumpkin record.. now it's Zeitgeist.

maoi · 03-13-2008, 10:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Charmbag

SD>MCIS>Machina II=Adore>Machina I>Gish>Hybrid Theory>Zeitgeist

man i would not rank machina II or machina I over Gish, but I see that opinion a lot. I think thats the main diverging point among the fans who got into SP early 90s and then those who got into them post adore.

hnibos · 03-13-2008, 10:57 PM

I like each sp album less than the previous one. So that would make gish my favorite.

null123 · 03-14-2008, 12:49 AM

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Originally Posted by maoi

man i would not rank machina II or machina I over Gish, but I see that opinion a lot. I think thats the main diverging point among the fans who got into SP early 90s and then those who got into them post adore.

yeah I just don't like Gish

exactlythesame · 03-14-2008, 12:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Oposie

I know, but I fear I Adore Adore. She scares me.

adore is appealing to some people because of its atmosphere and departure from previous records

but that's also a sticking point for people that prefer harder rock, which you apparently do

no biggie, just different tastes

personally, adore is my favorite pumpkins record

laaazy · 03-14-2008, 01:10 AM

gish=mcis>sd=machina2>tafh>troublizing>pi>machina=adore>z>msots>tfe
i never got into zwan much, so i dont even kno about that

runnersdialzero · 02:00 AM

the people who prefer machina over gish are an "interesting" crossover of SP fans who probably like linkin park and/or marilyn manson

Nate the Grate · 03-14-2008, 01:57 AM

What?

fishy · 03-14-2008, 02:24 AM

Gish over Zeitgeist by a long shot...Bury Me and Rhinocerous are two of my all time favorite SP songs. Nothing on Zeitgeist even cracks my top 10 SP songs...

greedo · 03-14-2008, 02:42 AM

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Originally Posted by runnersdialzero

the people who prefer machina over gish are an "interesting" crossover of SP fans who probably like linkin park and/or marilyn manson

I'm not sure what you're trying to say.

Gish is just amateurish compared to everything Billy has done since. His vocals sound bored (even more so than on Zeitgeist), the riffs are bland, the lyrics are uninteresting, and the production is lacklustre.

Machina sounds more like SD, MCIS, Adore, and Zeitgeist than Gish by a long shot.

Even with the band being as diverse as they are, Gish sounds like another band entirely, while Zeitgeist and Adore just sound like the same band in a different mood (i.e. era, I suppose).

I like Marilyn Manson's Mechanical Animals album (which Billy worked on), but I can't stand Linkin Park.

maoi · 03-14-2008, 02:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Charmbag

yeah I just don't like Gish

null123 · 03-14-2008, 03:03 AM

what the hell is going on in that picture

View Poll Results: Gish or Zeitgeist
Gish	158	74.53%
Zeitgeist	54	25.47%
Voters: 212. You may not vote on this poll

03-13-2008, 08:48 PM	#47
Ramdust Apocalyptic Poster Posts: 1,054	You are all wrong... MCIS=SD=(Drown,Glynis)>Adore=PI>Gish=TAFH=DjaliZwan=Spun>Machina=Machina 2>Zwan>Zeitgeist>TFE

03-14-2008, 01:32 AM	#55
runnersdialzero Ownz Posts: 659	the people who prefer machina over gish are an "interesting" crossover of SP fans who probably like linkin park and/or marilyn manson Last edited by runnersdialzero : 03-14-2008 at 02:00 AM.

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03-13-2008, 04:42 PM	#33
Oposie Pledge Location: Eire Posts: 113	I like them lots both, but in general, of their studio albums...SD>MCIS>Zeitgeist>Machina I&II>Gish>Adore. I surprise myself, typing that almost unconsciously. Zeitgeist ranks higher and is a better record than I thought...hmm. I like them all! Okay..?

03-13-2008, 04:44 PM	#34
brothergoddard Amish Rake Fighter Posts: 14	[quote=Oposie;3199196]I like them lots both, but in general, of their studio albums...SD>MCIS>Zeitgeist>Machina I&II>Gish>Adore. QUOTE] machina I and II ahead of gish and adore. really?

03-13-2008, 08:07 PM	#41
runnersdialzero Ownz Posts: 659	this isn't a dumb question, i would say that both albums have about the same number of songs that i dig and do not dig, but i guess gish gets it because of its sincerity.... and psychedelia and non-goo goo dolls production. SD>MCIS>Adore=Gish>Zeigeist>TFE>Machina II>Machina=Zwan

03-13-2008, 08:17 PM	#42
flyfire Apocalyptic Poster Posts: 1,600	Give me a G...

03-13-2008, 08:22 PM	#43
null123 Minion of Satan Location: bye Posts: 7,266	SD>MCIS>Machina II=Adore>Machina I>Gish>Hybrid Theory>Zeitgeist

03-13-2008, 08:35 PM	#44
maoi Apocalyptic Poster Location: l'isle joyeuse Posts: 2,656	personally i would rank them this way, from best to least best: Fabulous Muscles The Airforce A Promise Knife Play Women As Lovers La Foret

03-13-2008, 08:36 PM	#45
vaccine Pledge Posts: 73	SD>MCIS>Adore>PI>Gish>MSOTS>Machina/Machina II>Zeitgeist Imho.

03-13-2008, 08:40 PM	#46
Nate the Grate Minion of Satan Posts: 6,212	Gish Era is better than Zeitgeist Era Gish itself, to me, is pretty boring. I dislike a great deal of it. I find Suffer, Crush, Window Paine, and Daydream to be insufferable, and I Am One and Siva are blah. I do like Snail and Bury Me quite a bit. Rhino is brilliant. So, I find half of the album completely unlistenable, so it loses. And, to pile on, I think Mary Star of the Sea is better than Gish. But not TFE, TFE is the bottom of the barrel.

03-13-2008, 10:22 PM	#49
dudehitscar Apocalyptic Poster Posts: 2,652	better singing, better production, fresher sound, heartfelt lyrics, great mood on the slow songs, Snail and Siva all put Gish way over Zietgeist. Gish was my least favorite pumpkin record.. now it's Zeitgeist.

03-13-2008, 10:57 PM	#51
hnibos Braindead Location: I was just reading, right? Posts: 15,017	I like each sp album less than the previous one. So that would make gish my favorite.

03-14-2008, 01:10 AM	#54
laaazy Demi-God Posts: 295	gish=mcis>sd=machina2>tafh>troublizing>pi>machina=adore>z>msots>tfe i never got into zwan much, so i dont even kno about that

03-14-2008, 01:57 AM	#56
Nate the Grate Minion of Satan Posts: 6,212	What?

03-14-2008, 02:24 AM	#57
fishy Amish Rake Fighter Location: Montgomery, IL Posts: 14	Gish over Zeitgeist by a long shot...Bury Me and Rhinocerous are two of my all time favorite SP songs. Nothing on Zeitgeist even cracks my top 10 SP songs...

03-14-2008, 03:03 AM	#60
null123 Minion of Satan Location: bye Posts: 7,266	what the hell is going on in that picture