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Old 02-24-2012, 12:56 PM   #1
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Default The Reelection of Barack Hussein Obama

Bill Maher stands up as an example for his people by donating $1,000,000 to Barry's super pac


 
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Old 02-24-2012, 01:22 PM   #2
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superpacs are evil. but not ours, because we're not, so it cant be.

 
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Old 02-24-2012, 01:37 PM   #3
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superpacs are evil. but not ours, because we're not, so it cant be.
we already went over this

 
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Old 02-24-2012, 02:02 PM   #4
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we already went over this
once again, who cares, if you're tired of rehashing the same arguments over and over again then stay off this board.

 
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Old 02-24-2012, 01:25 PM   #5
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by his people did you mean rich people with nothing better to do

 
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Old 02-24-2012, 01:44 PM   #6
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let's go over it again

 
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Old 02-24-2012, 01:45 PM   #7
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seriously, though. super pacs are now the necessary evil. it will be impossible to win the white house without the use of crazy money from a couple of hundred billionaires.

 
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Old 02-24-2012, 01:51 PM   #8
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he should just take lobbyist money then

 
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i mean officially take it, not just from their spouses and bundlers stuff

 
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Old 02-24-2012, 01:54 PM   #10
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because winnings what matters, right guys? Eulogy the only thing that would justify this (not him using it, that needs none, but you guys just signing off like its no big deal) is if he wins and they actually do something to reverse citizens united. Otherwise boy will you guys look stupid.

 
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Old 02-24-2012, 02:39 PM   #11
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because winnings what matters, right guys? Eulogy the only thing that would justify this (not him using it, that needs none, but you guys just signing off like its no big deal) is if he wins and they actually do something to reverse citizens united. Otherwise boy will you guys look stupid.
who appoints supreme court justices

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or do you want him to unilaterally pass legislation that will once again get struck down for the same exact reasons it was already struck down in citizens united

you really have no leg to stand on here.

 
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Old 02-24-2012, 05:04 PM   #12
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you really have no leg to stand on here.[/quote]


what leg do i need? You are the one supporting the superpAc use under the assumptions that he will nominate someone to the court, and that they will oppose the ruling, and that he or the party will want it opposed.it could die off just as quickly as campaign finance reform did after 2008

 
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Old 02-24-2012, 05:26 PM   #13
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what leg do i need? You are the one supporting the superpAc use under the assumptions that he will nominate someone to the court, and that they will oppose the ruling, and that he or the party will want it opposed.it could die off just as quickly as campaign finance reform did after 2008
and you're assuming there is some other way to do it

there isn't. so we're gonna need a democratic president until the court finally flips. he and the party are all pretty well aligned against the ruling. it might fall off of the political radar but that doesn't really matter seeing as the only route for its overruling is a different composition of the court. or the court changing its mind, which after this clusterfuck does not appear to be outside the realm of possibility.

 
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and you're assuming there is some other way to do it

there isn't. so we're gonna need a democratic president until the court finally flips. he and the party are all pretty well aligned against the ruling. it might fall off of the political radar but that doesn't really matter seeing as the only route for its overruling is a different composition of the court. or the court changing its mind, which after this clusterfuck does not appear to be outside the realm of
there is a deference between realizing the court is the best way to change it, and just turning around and embracing a position because it's suddenly our best chance to win.
both sides embracing them makes it more likely to stay, not less, no matter who wins


It's getting old though watching dem base supporters complain when the party caves.i mean they don't stand for anything, why should their pols. Everything is just an election away from being a necessary evil.

Btw,i was simply mocking scottys superpac support thread, can't a guy have some fun around here anymore

 
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Old 02-24-2012, 02:52 PM   #15
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new judges, new rulings or a constitutional amendment. anything else is just a waste of time. But progressive have already started trying to organize for a constitutional amendment. And Obama has repeatedly stated that he doesn't agree with the courts' rulings on the matter

 
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Old 02-24-2012, 04:05 PM   #16
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there is no way a constitutional amendment passes. waste of time/energy/resources.

Scalia is 76.

i see him being there until he's like 95 though. bah.

 
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Old 02-24-2012, 05:30 PM   #17
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there is no way a constitutional amendment passes. waste of time/energy/resources.

Scalia is 76.

i see him being there until he's like 95 though. bah.
you never know. the guy is one unhealthy looking wop.

also, something like an ammendment campaign has other purposes. It can become a way to whip up voters to support candidates or issues related to campaign finance reform.

 
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Old 02-24-2012, 05:31 PM   #18
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and the converse of my "support" is a republican president.

so i don't really see how that's better.

 
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Old 02-24-2012, 05:34 PM   #19
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Old 02-25-2012, 02:47 PM   #21
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so you want democrats to reject them and basically ensure that the court's composition gets worse so that citizens united never has any chance of getting overruled

but hey at least we didn't use superpacs, guys

how do you not see how silly this is

 
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so you want democrats to reject them and basically ensure that the court's composition gets worse so that citizens united never has any chance of getting overruled
no, I want people like you two to not be so meh about them using it, or in scottys case happy. I want the base thats so quick to support this to take a step back and see what they're supporting. Which is where the mock scotty thing comes in.

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how do you not see how silly this is
this is coming from the guy that thinks gobs of money will have no effect on politicians. seriously.

 
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Old 02-25-2012, 04:10 PM   #23
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maybe this thread was more tongue in cheek than i took it

 
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Old 02-25-2012, 05:20 PM   #24
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this is coming from the guy that thinks gobs of money will have no effect on politicians. seriously.

my point was that politicians don't fucking matter. a point you say you understand but one that doesn't mesh at all with your posts in this thread.


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this was pointless. its like you're arguing against something that I'm not denying.
you said it only remains an issue if a political party cares. which is false. because the filing of a lawsuit doesn't require the support of a political party.

honestly i have no idea what your point is here. we should be more begrudging? ok?

 
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Old 02-26-2012, 12:40 AM   #25
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see was that so hard

 
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Old 02-26-2012, 12:44 AM   #26
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let me talk nonsense for a few posts and then claim that you're the idiot

ok did that work

 
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Old 02-26-2012, 01:33 AM   #27
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here, ill give it one last go,

i think this will be in effect long enough that if both parties turn to it and come to love it enough, throw up lame transparency safeguards as window dressing for morons, that by the time a dem president has the chance to replace a righty the person doing the appointing and those doing the confirmation may not actually want it gone. i think those pols, in that situation would...wait for it...matter. Because Eulogy, where else will dem voters turn, third party? Go ahead, throw your vote away.

I dont consider that such an omegaconcern type situation that I'm talking nonsense. I guess I just imagined it recently when an entire list of repub scandals fell off the radar once a dem president started doing it too. Low odds though? yeah probably. But none of that was even behind my initial reason for posting in this thread to begin with, and isnt contradicted by anything you've been arguing about.

 
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Old 02-26-2012, 01:35 AM   #28
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this thread title is racist

 
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Old 02-26-2012, 01:47 AM   #29
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i don't even think you read anything

so godspeed

 
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see was that so hard

 
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