“Billy Corgan was such a raging a–hole” Wayne Coyne of the Flaming Lips

[slunken]

"...dour shoegazers the Jesus and Mary Chain, who would get drunk and insult the other bands (“The worst experience of our lives,” singer William Reid claims). "

love it

[T&T]

at this point I think Billy's said it enough times
"I play the heel". additionally he's media conscious enough to know that he cannot reinvent himself and the best way to keep spotlight on him is to keep rehashing the same dramas and perceptions that people have of him. (pretty sure he's explained how Courtney explained this to him - basically "play to your strengths instead of trying to re-invent yourself". and it's 100% true when it comes to fame. You don't get a 2nd 15 mins, so might as well recycle the 15 mins you already had.

[Squish Squash]

Originally Posted by T&T

at this point I think Billy's said it enough times
"I play the heel". additionally he's media conscious enough to know that he cannot reinvent himself and the best way to keep spotlight on him is to keep rehashing the same dramas and perceptions that people have of him. (pretty sure he's explained how Courtney explained this to him - basically "play to your strengths instead of trying to re-invent yourself". and it's 100% true when it comes to fame. You don't get a 2nd 15 mins, so might as well recycle the 15 mins you already had.

He's not "playing the heel" though, he's infamous for being a pompous ass amongst people who have actually met him in real life. Even in the 90s when he was on a truly legendary run musically he had that reputation. This is just who he is.

[SPumpkinsUK]

Originally Posted by Squish Squash

Why doesn’t he even get a page on SPCodex lol

Does Billy just consider him a session drummer or something

He was never really a part of the band, he was a member of The Marked and post-Marked projects but was pretty much a session musician for the first demo. The details are a bit sketchy depending on who you talk to but Ron claims he didn't want the gig and Billy said he didn't want Ron to have the gig.

I used to be in contact with Ron for a while via Myspace and he is a little out there. We exchanged several messages about 20 years ago and he spoke like Billy was still his best friend. Those messages are most likely long gone now with the revamp of Myspace. He stopped speaking to me after I told him to knock off spamming his new EP in a community I made him aware of. He claims to have a ton of material of unreleased material from back in the day that Billy has forbidden him to release.

This wasn't from Ron, but there are a few reports from people who were around at the time of The Marked who claimed that the band split up because Billy was constantly being a dick to Dale Meiners. Apparently, it got so antagonistic that Dale ended up throwing some punches at Billy before quitting the band.

[eviltimeban]

[Machinist]

Once seen never forgotten

bellyve in me

[Squish Squash]

Originally Posted by SPumpkinsUK

He was never really a part of the band, he was a member of The Marked and post-Marked projects but was pretty much a session musician for the first demo. The details are a bit sketchy depending on who you talk to but Ron claims he didn't want the gig and Billy said he didn't want Ron to have the gig.

I used to be in contact with Ron for a while via Myspace and he is a little out there. We exchanged several messages about 20 years ago and he spoke like Billy was still his best friend. Those messages are most likely long gone now with the revamp of Myspace. He stopped speaking to me after I told him to knock off spamming his new EP in a community I made him aware of. He claims to have a ton of material of unreleased material from back in the day that Billy has forbidden him to release.

This wasn't from Ron, but there are a few reports from people who were around at the time of The Marked who claimed that the band split up because Billy was constantly being a dick to Dale Meiners. Apparently, it got so antagonistic that Dale ended up throwing some punches at Billy before quitting the band.

Interesting, thanks.

[eviltimeban]

Free avatar for whoever wants it

[Squish Squash]

What do we think Bill’s jumpshot looked like? What type of player was he? I feel like he was a chucker and a hotdog.

[houseofglass11]

Definitely a flagrant foul type of defensive player

[houseofglass11]

I had Ron Roesing’s double cd. I forget the name. But it had some interesting songs on it. A few that were pretty good. I remember there was one called “Smugly”, clearly a dig at Billy. It was also packaged as kind of a mockery of MCIS. I traded it to Ryan Patrick on AMSP in early 2000 for some Machina soundboard recordings that he ended up not sending me (thanks for ripping me off dude).

Edit: it was called “Hope-Fullness and the Oh-So Finite Happiness”. Makes you wonder if “Shiny and Oh So Bright” was a dig back at Ron also.

[FoolofaTook]

Originally Posted by houseofglass11

clesrly

ENGLISH, FATHERFUCKER? CAN YOU NOT PROOFREAD IT?!?

[FoolofaTook]

damn that first question mark

[ilikeplanets]

Fascinated by Ron and Dale, and the 3 as a trio

[Squish Squash]

James Billy and Ron is the true SP. We need to get a reunion with Ron set up so they can get back to making classics like the first demo tape. Everything was downhill after that sadly.

[redbreegull]

the real SP is Billy, James, D'arcy, and a drum machine

[redbreegull]

I heard that drum machine moved to Wichita and got into real estate, married a nice lady and raised a family. you could say he was the lucky one in a way

[slunken]

Originally Posted by Squish Squash

What do we think Bill’s jumpshot looked like? What type of player was he? I feel like he was a chucker and a hotdog.

Originally Posted by houseofglass11

Definitely a flagrant foul type of defensive player

yea the thing i imagined in my brain was he was 100 defense

[slunken]

no joke i bet he wasn't a hotdog and he enjoyed the discipline and structure

[Squish Squash]

Originally Posted by slunken

no joke i bet he wasn't a hotdog and he enjoyed the discipline and structure

Idk he’s never been a team player in other aspects of his life why would he start with basketball? I’m sticking with chucker.

[slunken]

he loved having structure and discipline but when he was an adult that no longer existed for him and he hated it (wah my mom wah my dad) he resents not having anyone in his world guide him he has no role models except guys on rock posters

this is all very clear and conscise

[slunken]

guy like me? i zoom auto-focus right into the issue at hand

[paranoid]

It’s not unusual to call Billy Corgan a raging asshole, but when it’s coming from a guy who is known behind the scenes as being a real creep with minors, it’s hypocritical.

[eviltimeban]

Originally Posted by redbreegull

I heard that drum machine moved to Wichita and got into real estate, married a nice lady and raised a family. you could say he was the lucky one in a way

Rumour has it that the drum machine was the one who bought the H that night in New York

[Joey Goldberg]

Originally Posted by paranoid

It’s not unusual to call Billy Corgan a raging asshole

[Joey Goldberg]

anyone seeing that FLips/Modest Mouse tour this yr?

tickets surprisingly affordable

[SPumpkinsUK]

Originally Posted by houseofglass11

I had Ron Roesing’s double cd. I forget the name. But it had some interesting songs on it. A few that were pretty good. I remember there was one called “Smugly”, clearly a dig at Billy. It was also packaged as kind of a mockery of MCIS. I traded it to Ryan Patrick on AMSP in early 2000 for some Machina soundboard recordings that he ended up not sending me (thanks for ripping me off dude).

Edit: it was called “Hope-Fullness and the Oh-So Finite Happiness”. Makes you wonder if “Shiny and Oh So Bright” was a dig back at Ron also.

Smugly was his nickname for Billy.

[srt4b]

I am extremely satisfied after all these years Bill is doing so well and all these grunge losers are still whining to anybody that will listen.

[houseofglass11]

Flaming Lips aren’t grunge losers and still sell out shows all over the place.

[slunken]

Sometimes I read little headlines that are like "reading comprehension is plummeting rapidly" or "reading comprehension at an all time low" and i'm like there's no fucking way it can be that bad and then sometimes i just see a post like that above and i want to punch a wall