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Old 11-11-2021, 06:56 PM   #1
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It's gotta be Jack Bates, right?

I don't know who a single person in the 2008 section of the table is, so, having closed my eyes and pointed at my screen, my actual choice is... "Gabrial McNair." Sorry, Gabe. I did manage to find some footage of him in a Zeitgeist concert.



And here he is sitting down in that distinctive way we all came to know and love.



And here, backstage, defeating his father in anbo-jyutsu, the ultimate evolution of human martial arts. It turns out that his dad had cheated all through McNair's childhood, and that's why McNair could never win against him. Having finally bested his father, McNair reconciled with him in a way that Billy never will, which is probably why McNair was immediately sacked.


 
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Old 11-11-2021, 08:47 PM   #2
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Katie Cole's tenure is curious... 2015, 2016–2018, 2019–

why not 2015-2020 or 2015-

 
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Old 11-11-2021, 10:57 PM   #3
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Old 11-11-2021, 11:07 PM   #4
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Old 11-11-2021, 11:24 PM   #5
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Everybody always forgets about Chris Panasik, despite those tour legs and that one single.

 
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Old 11-12-2021, 10:45 AM   #7
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Everybody always forgets about Chris Panasik, despite those tour legs and that one single.
Yeah I always forget about her. Drew Thomas deserves a bit more recognition too.

 
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Old 11-12-2021, 11:50 AM   #8
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fucking who?

i don't know, wasn't there a second drummer for the Adore shows? I only remember Kenny arararnonof

 
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Old 11-12-2021, 02:59 PM   #9
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Old 11-12-2021, 03:33 PM   #10
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Old 11-12-2021, 03:35 PM   #11
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if Cameron was the 2nd drummer for the Adore shows as well I will feel srsly bad because I hold those post-Jim MCIS shows in pretty high regard, in no small part to his pretty sizable contributions

(enter folofatok)

 
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Old 11-12-2021, 04:19 PM   #12
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I wonder what Jimmy's answer would be!

 
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Old 11-12-2021, 04:24 PM   #13
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if Cameron was the 2nd drummer for the Adore shows as well I will feel srsly bad because I hold those post-Jim MCIS shows in pretty high regard, in no small part to his pretty sizable contributions

(enter folofatok)
Kenny Arnoff was perfect in those shows. He was the lead drummer. It really was his sound all over those sets

 
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Old 11-12-2021, 10:10 PM   #14
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you have your matt's confused

 
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Old 11-15-2021, 06:55 PM   #15
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I think I’m always going to be mad Jimmy wasn’t at that show in France in 1997 cuz it would have been the best concert ever if he was.

 
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Old 11-15-2021, 08:11 PM   #16
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eh. it wouldn't be the same show with jimmy. some of those alt versions certainly wouldn't've existed

 
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Old 11-17-2021, 02:31 PM   #17
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Old 11-17-2021, 03:13 PM   #19
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Old 11-17-2021, 03:17 PM   #20
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What was the name of that girl that would join the band for the Adore your but was dismissed last minute? I think she was from Chicago...

 
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Old 11-17-2021, 11:39 PM   #21
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Old 11-18-2021, 12:43 AM   #22
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What was the name of that girl that would join the band for the Adore your but was dismissed last minute? I think she was from Chicago...
Lisa Germano

Interviewer: You played with Smashing Pumpkins for a few weeks about ten years ago.
What happened there?

Lisa: That was just a bunch of young kids being powerful and not being
respectful of anything. They asked me to join the tour. I quit my job here in
Los Angeles. I moved my cats to Indiana. The tour was supposed to be four
months long. I had to sublet my apartment. We went through rehearsals. Billy
Corgan, D’Arcy, and James Iha didn’t talk to each other. So for one, it was a
fucked situation. They wouldn’t talk to each other. Billy would say “D’Arcy,
would you sing backup on this?” And if she didn’t say anything, Billy would
say “Lisa. Why don’t you sing backup on this?” So I was doing stuff that
nobody would do. Billy would tell James Iha to play mandolin on a song. And
James would say “I am playing guitar on this man.” So I would play the
mandolin. I was playing on a shitload of stuff. So they were fighting at that
time. What then happened was the weekend before our first show, they wanted me
to sign a contract out of the blue. The contract listed all this stuff I
couldn’t do while I was on tour with them. They knew I wouldn’t sign that.
They knew I had a record coming out. The contract said I couldn’t release
anything while I was in Smashing Pumpkins. So I didn’t sign it. They sent me home
without discussing it.

Interviewer: What were some of the other conditions on the contract?

Lisa: That I couldn’t talk about Smashing Pumpkins during those four
months. I couldn’t talk about them in interviews. I touched Billy on the knee. I
said “You can’t do this! It’s not fair. You put all this money into me being
here. It’s silly sending me home.” He said: “Don’t worry. We’ll work it
out.” And that night I was sent home. He’s such a lame ass. He wouldn’t talk
to me. He wouldn’t explain anything. I wrote him letters. I wanted to sue
them for two weeks, because they didn’t pay me. They were complete assholes and
it fucked me up. They were irresponsible. Billy is very egocentric. His
karma will come back to him.

 
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Old 11-18-2021, 10:30 AM   #24
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Lisa Germano

Interviewer: You played with Smashing Pumpkins for a few weeks about ten years ago.
What happened there?

Lisa: That was just a bunch of young kids being powerful and not being
respectful of anything. They asked me to join the tour. I quit my job here in
Los Angeles. I moved my cats to Indiana. The tour was supposed to be four
months long. I had to sublet my apartment. We went through rehearsals. Billy
Corgan, D’Arcy, and James Iha didn’t talk to each other. So for one, it was a
fucked situation. They wouldn’t talk to each other. Billy would say “D’Arcy,
would you sing backup on this?” And if she didn’t say anything, Billy would
say “Lisa. Why don’t you sing backup on this?” So I was doing stuff that
nobody would do. Billy would tell James Iha to play mandolin on a song. And
James would say “I am playing guitar on this man.” So I would play the
mandolin. I was playing on a shitload of stuff. So they were fighting at that
time. What then happened was the weekend before our first show, they wanted me
to sign a contract out of the blue. The contract listed all this stuff I
couldn’t do while I was on tour with them. They knew I wouldn’t sign that.
They knew I had a record coming out. The contract said I couldn’t release
anything while I was in Smashing Pumpkins. So I didn’t sign it. They sent me home
without discussing it.

Interviewer: What were some of the other conditions on the contract?

Lisa: That I couldn’t talk about Smashing Pumpkins during those four
months. I couldn’t talk about them in interviews. I touched Billy on the knee. I
said “You can’t do this! It’s not fair. You put all this money into me being
here. It’s silly sending me home.” He said: “Don’t worry. We’ll work it
out.” And that night I was sent home. He’s such a lame ass. He wouldn’t talk
to me. He wouldn’t explain anything. I wrote him letters. I wanted to sue
them for two weeks, because they didn’t pay me. They were complete assholes and
it fucked me up. They were irresponsible. Billy is very egocentric. His
karma will come back to him.
This is the music buisness.
I wouldn't even blame billy. but at their level, it's like this all the time. She was small potatoes.
“Don’t worry. We’ll work it out.” is hardly a jerk thing. he had 10,000 more important things going on than who was going to play the mandolin on one song...

 
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Old 11-18-2021, 10:43 AM   #25
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Wow. Wow.



Can't believe someone would go to the lengths to make all that shit up about our Billy and Co. Like... talk about burning bridges. I'm sure they tried their best to accommodate your psychosis and all and this is the thanks they get after you stole thousands of dollars of equipment from the studio, stopped showing up to rehearsal, and blocked them all on Facebook?



P.S. RIP DJ Qualls. I don't know for a fact that you're dead but I haven't seen you in anything in like 15 years and let's not pretend you didn't look like a late-stage AIDS patient back then

 
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after you stole thousands of dollars of equipment from the studio, stopped showing up to rehearsal, and blocked them all on Facebook?
you talking about Lisa Germano?


wasn't she John Mellencamp violinist? (a contact through Arnof who was Mellencamp's drummer)

 
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This is the music buisness.
I wouldn't even blame billy. but at their level, it's like this all the time. She was small potatoes.
“Don’t worry. We’ll work it out.” is hardly a jerk thing. he had 10,000 more important things going on than who was going to play the mandolin on one song...
This woman worked with Bowie, Mellencamp, Marr, and Simple Minds. If this was standard practice in the industry, I don't think she would complain specifically about one band.

 
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Old 11-18-2021, 06:37 PM   #28
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you talking about Lisa Germano?
Yes, I'm talking about Lisa Germano, whose version of events cannot possibly be right because it describes our sweet Billy and the rest of the band acting very, very out of character, as we all know, and also the other stuff I said about Germano and what actually happened is similarly very, very true

 
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Old 11-18-2021, 06:39 PM   #29
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Gotta say I'm curious about your thought process, which appears to be "Lisa Germano is unstable? That can't be right — she was Mellencamp's violinist for God's sake! Mellencamp!"

 
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are you asking me?
I never said she was unstable. just small potatoes.

 
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