Okay, Beguiled actually kicks ass

[topleybird]

Originally Posted by JoaoMiguel

Ah damnit. I forgot about the Babadook's boyfriend. Okay, fair

[enthusaroo]

this thread is now certified platinum gold

[Squish Squash]

Originally Posted by Forgotten Child

It's a wedding gown.

It’s a Gaultier

[topleybird]

Originally Posted by Squish Squash

It’s a Gaultier

Originally Posted by ourruseoffools

god only knows why billy hasnt assigned her and james to pumpkins wardrobe

“What do you mean who dresses me? I dress me. What do you take me for? A drooling, fucking idiot?”

[houseofglass11]

James: if I don’t look left on stage and avoid eye contact with Billy this will all be over soon. Just one song at a time James. You can do this.

[teh b0lly!!1]

I thought the very first seconds of the video where Billy kinda fiercely walks right up to the camera, almost intimidatingly, and in this weird tattered clown costume - that was pretty cool

But of course then the song started

[slunken]

Originally Posted by teh b0lly!!1

I thought the very first seconds of the video where Billy kinda fiercely walks right up to the camera, almost intimidatingly, and in this weird tattered clown costume - that was pretty cool

But of course then the song started

basically this

there's literally no riff

hey guys remember this

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give me a fucking break

he's bragging about how much he loves tony iommi

that's not a fucking riff that's your go-to "jam" riff for the last 30,000 years

the guitar tone sounds like mud and also it doesn't even sound like you need microphones

[slunken]

the smashing pumpkins in 2022:

[slunken]

billy hasn't delivered a riff since monuments but r-words hate it because "oh no its the hair metal guy so it must be bad"

he sure fooled you

[s0ss]

There was a riff on Monuments? I must have forgotten the album.

[slunken]

Originally Posted by s0ss

There was a riff on Monuments? I must have forgotten the album.

yea you forgot everyone spazzing because "one and all" was a leftover pastichio jam

you idiot

[slunken]

you sound like a casual fan

[slunken]

sorry for calling you an idiot

[slunken]

this goes

[Squish Squash]

Slunken that better not have been Tony Iommi slander, bruther

[slunken]

why would i slander Iommi?

[slunken]

billy did when he thinks his new "riffs" are akin to Tony's

[slunken]

billy's new riffs are his old jams

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[slunken]

Originally Posted by Squish Squash

Slunken that better not have been Tony Iommi slander, bruther

he's literally me

[Squish Squash]

Originally Posted by slunken

this is literally the sickest thing on earth



he's literally me

That album was terrible ngl. Everything from 1970-1976 is god tier though. Dio era was fine but didn't sound like Sabbath (they need Ozzy to sound right IMO). We don't talk about what happened post Dio and pre-Ozzy returning.

[slunken]

been a huge fan of grey/white new balance sneaker with fringe black leather jacket metal lately

i can see why billy started wearing nike dunks and piling on jackets

[slunken]

Originally Posted by Squish Squash

That album was terrible ngl. Everything from 1970-1976 is god tier though. Dio era was fine but didn't sound like Sabbath (they need Ozzy to sound right IMO). We don't talk about what happened post Dio and pre-Ozzy returning.

it's a really "bad" album but

"been a huge fan of grey/white new balance sneaker with fringe black leather jacket metal lately"

it's an interesting album if you think of it as a tony iommi solo album

[slunken]

idk i spend a lot of time listening to "shitty" music. like after you've exhausting the "really good" black sab catalog you've got to start digging into the inner workins of the lesser albums right?

or are you just a casual fan?

[slunken]

like are you just blasting sabbra cadabra again and again?

[slunken]

be ashamed / of the mess you've made

[houseofglass11]

Originally Posted by Squish Squash

That album was terrible ngl. Everything from 1970-1976 is god tier though. Dio era was fine but didn't sound like Sabbath (they need Ozzy to sound right IMO). We don't talk about what happened post Dio and pre-Ozzy returning.

That album was not terrible. And the Dio era was some of their best stuff ever.

[Squish Squash]

I have listened to Sabbath pretty heavily since I was 15 and I’m 30. They’re my favorite band along with SP. I like RJD, I listen to his work in both Dio and Rainbow, it just doesn’t sound like the band I love without Ozzy. Conversely, I don’t think Ozzy sounds right without Iommi either. Randy Rhoads was so immensely talented he was able to make great records with Ozzy before he died, but there’s never been a guitarist who has written music for perfectly for Ozzy than Iommi.

[Squish Squash]

Originally Posted by houseofglass11

That album was not terrible. And the Dio era was some of their best stuff ever.

I find it hard to call it some of their best without Ozzy or Bill Ward (apart from H+H), two guys who were hugely instrumental in creating the sound of the classic lineup. Bill Ward is easily one of the best metal drummers ever btw. I don’t think anything from that era holds up to the first 6 albums they did. Although I don’t really think anything any other metal band does has held up those albums tbqh

[houseofglass11]

Heaven and Hell and Mob Rules absolutely fuck. Some of their heaviest and darkest work. Iommi at the top of this game.

[Bleakest Harves]

Originally Posted by Disco King

Yeah, I find it silly when people try to isolate some singular causal factor for Corgan sucking today.

"Perhaps the necessary and sufficient condition for Corgan to make good music is working with Chamberlin. But wait, Chamberlin was absent for Adore and present for Mary Star of the Sea and Shiny, so that hypothesis is refuted. Perhaps Iha is the key ingredient? But alas, Iha is back in the band, and the music still sucks. Clearly, it must be Wretzky!"

Like, sometimes people have it, and sometimes people lose it. I'm sure working with certain other people positively influences the output… so long as they give enough of a fuck to even make suggestions, and Corgan actually considers their opinions. If not, they'll just collect the cheque and avoid the headache of getting Corgan pissed at them, or Corgan'll just kick them out of the band, like he did Byrne (who probably at one point said, "I dunno, why don't we do something weirder and more interesting?")

There are probably a host of reasons Corgan doesn't make music like he used to, not a single overwhelming cause.

I think you're right here. There is no secret missing ingredient to explain Billy's inability to write a decent song any more. He just lost it and that's it.

I distinctly remember when Zeitgeist came out and everyone here was shitting on it mercilessly. A common narrative at the time was that Billy needed Iha's input and without him the Pumpkins magic was lost. Well, Zeitgeist had many problems but it absolutely shits all over Shiny and Cyr. So much for Iha's return. If D'Arcy was back in the fold I doubt it would change anything, because the sad fact is that Billy has slowly lost his creative spark over the past few decades.