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redbull 06-14-2007 06:21 PM

oink question
 
if someone i invite gets banned for bad ratio, do i also get banned?

smashingjj 06-14-2007 06:42 PM

no. you can invite whoever the fuck you want, it's not going to affect your account.

don't re-invite someone who was banned though, you'll lose all your invites. like me. :(

redbull 06-14-2007 06:43 PM

0.005 warned 7.60 GB 41.72 MB

this person is so going down

C33 06-14-2007 07:01 PM

i always make sure people know the ratio system before i invite them so they won't be banned

Rider 06-15-2007 05:17 AM

You have nerve asking this after what you did with the KG invite I gave you:

rhinowing [email protected] 2007-04-18 21:42:56 5 days ago 8MB 70MB 0.120 Confirmed

You can't even up 70 fucking mb?!?

D. 06-15-2007 05:39 AM

uh oh someone's calling someone out!

Martyr 06-15-2007 05:41 AM

:mmmpopcorn:

wally 06-15-2007 09:41 AM

what is kg?

Pantomime 06-15-2007 10:02 AM

I have a 0.204 ratio. I've uploaded 10 flac albums. This just ain't easy with a shit upload speed.

Rider 06-15-2007 10:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wally
what is kg?


The KaraGarga Manifesto


KaraGarga strives to be more than just a regular BitTorrent tracker for movies.
We are an exclusive private filesharing community focused on creating a comprehensive library of Arthouse, Cult, Classic, Experimental and rare movies from all over the world.


Here is how we aim to achieve that goal:

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Do not allow Hollywood/Bollywood mainstream.
From its inception, KaraGarga was designed as a source for non-mainstream and off-beat movies. We try to distance ourselves from the pervasive and easily available Hollywood (and Bollywood) mainstream and show people that a huge and exciting world of cinema exists beyond that. Therefore we do not allow any mainstream movies on the tracker.

The definition of "mainstream" is very elusive and almost impossible to state precisely. It is within the discretion of the tracker moderators to decide on each specific case. As a general rule, we limit our definition of mainstream to Hollywood and Bollywood movies made after the 70s. Classic Hollywood movies are allowed and welcome - even though some of them may enjoy mainstream popularity, we have high respect for their artistic quality and importance in cinema history. We draw the line with the advent of the big-buget Hollywood blockbuster (with movies like Jaws and Star Wars) which brought on a rapid deterioration in the quality of movies. Modern independent productions are allowed and we might make special exceptions for new Hollywood movies from special directors. Also allowed are most "mainstream" movies from other countries - what might be a common mainstream movie in Hungary might be totally unknown elsewhere. For further information, see this collective forum thread for the discussion of the "mainstreamness" of specific movies.

We are well aware that the enforcement of this rule makes a subjective judgment on the artistic quality of a movie that some people are bound to disagree with. However, this rule is the very foundation which has made KaraGarga such a distinguished source for high-class world cinema.

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Build a library by never deleting movie torrents and making reseeds as easy as possible.
We want the KaraGarga tracker ideally to be like a library, so that anytime you wish to see a particular movie you can just look it up and download it. Unfortunately one of the big disadvantages of the BitTorrent p2p system is that most torrent swarms die off relatively quickly, mostly because people do not have any incentive to keep torrents seeded.

Other trackers would just delete those dead torrents. We on the other hand have set out to change that. In general, we do not delete any movie torrents and we do not consider old torrents to be "dead". They are just unseeded at the moment. If a torrent has been unseeded for two days with no activity, a big red button on the top of the torrent details page allows you to request a reseed for the torrent. All reseed requests are recorded on this page while the tracker homepage lists all reseed requests that you can personally help out with (i.e. torrents which you have downloaded). If you reseed a torrent for which a reseed has been requested you are automatically awarded a ratio bonus (details here). In addition, keeping any torrent seeded in your BT client gives you an extra seeding bonus once someone starts downloading it.

The combination of reseed requests and the various bonuses have created an extremely effective mechanism that allows even long-dead torrents to be resurrected swiftly. You can put in a reseed request and usually find the torrent seeded the next day. This is aided by KaraGarga being a private tracker - users have to maintain a ratio and thus have a strong incentive to keep torrents seeded and help out with reseeds in order to collect ratio bonuses. Also, all users who have downloaded a particular torrent ("snatchers") are recorded, allowing the reseed request system to identify who can help out reseed which torrent. Even if your reseed request goes unanswered for a while, the friendly and helpful culture at KaraGarga allows you to just send a message to some of the recent snatchers of a torrent and get it reseeded that way as well.

In order to make reseeds even more powerful, KaraGarga has implemented a unique feature called torrent bumping. If one user reseeds a torrent for another user, usually noone else will notice. The resulting exchange then resembles traditional ineffective one-on-one filesharing. Therefore, if a torrent which has been unseeded for a long time is reseeded, we "bump" it to the top of the torrent list (MoM torrents are bumped if they had been unseeded for over 30 days; torrents with reseed-requests are bumped instantly no matter how long they've been unseeded; if there was no reseed request the bump time is 90 days). All users will see the bumped torrent appear on the top of the browse page as if it were newly uploaded. To distinguish it from new torrents, it is marked [BUMPED]. That way the reseeding of a torrent will be noticed by many more users and create a larger swarm.

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Provide extensive information on each movie torrent.
Since every new movie torrent enters the KaraGarga library and will remain there for a long time, we would like each one to have as detailed a description as possible. Thus we make it mandatory for each torrent to ******* complete rip specifications of the movie file (allowing users to judge if that file will be playable on their playback device) and at least three screenshots directly from the file (allowing users to judge the quality of the encoding). There is a guide on providing rip specs here and a guide on providing screenshots here. We also strongly encourage users to ******* plot descriptions, review(s), a movie poster and additional outside links which offer more information for each upload.

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Emphasize rip quality and completeness of extra material.
At KaraGarga we strive for all movie torrents to be encoded in the best quality possible (usually a 2cd XviD encode) while allowing for the highest level of playback compatibility (i.e. incompatible formats like x264 or mkv are discouraged). While we do not allow any duplicate uploads of the same movie, we will allow a low-quality 1cd rip to be replaced by a higher-quality 2cd rip. Torrents with a full DVD-R of a movie are allowed to exist alongside an XviD/DivX encode since they both service users with different needs.

Other criteria that make for a higher-quality torrent and a welcome replacement *******: If the torrent is sourced from a higher-quality source than the existing one (e.g. a DVD with better picture quality than the other DVD release), if it is in the correct aspect ratio (e.g. a widescreen version to replace a cropped fullscreen one), if it offers removable subtitles instead of hardcoded ones, if it offers the original audio track instead of a dubbed one or if it *******s additional extras like an audio commentary, a making-of etc.

If you have a rip that fulfills one or several of the criteria above and want to replace an existing torrent, simply message one of the tracker moderators.

In order to prevent generally poor quality uploads, if a movie is available on DVD, rips from a lower-quality source (e.g. from a VHS) are not allowed. We also do not allow any rips of a new movie until a DVD is actually commercially available in stores since most of those rips come from poor quality sources (anything from CAMs recorded off the screen in a movie theatre to poor quality R5 DVDs thrown onto the market prematurely which is where many pre-retail scene DVDrips come from).

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Promote broadening cinematic knowledge through Master Of The Month (MoM) program and movie collections.
KaraGarga offers you many opportunities to extend your horizons and learn more about the cinema of other countries and cultures. One of it is the Master Of The Month (MoM) program. Each month, a specific topic (e.g. a director, an actor, a country, a theme) is chosen as a MoM for both movies and for music. Torrent uploads fitting that MoM are encouraged during that month and participation in any MoM torrent gives you a ratio bonus (details here). You can take a look at the present and past MoMs on this page. For past MoMs we have managed to establish very comprehensive collections of torrents on that topic in just a month. MoM topics are generally chosen by the KaraGarga staff but suggestions for future MoMs are always welcome and can be posted in the MoM forums. Keep in mind that MoMs are made to focus on often neglected and underappreciated areas of cinema rather than well-known ones.

Another way to expand your knowledge is through the KaraGarga Collections forum. A collection is a full list of all the movies belonging to a specific director, film movement or other theme. It contains detailed information on the subject and links to torrents. We have collections on many major directors like Godard, Wilder, Lang, Renoir and Herzog. We have collections on topics ranging from Film Noir to the Czech New Wave and German Expressionism. And then there are the really curious off-beat collections like "films about food" or "Kafka on film". Contributing a collection on your own and thus sharing your knowledge and insight with the KaraGarga community is also rewarded with a generous ratio bonus.

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Allow users to request specific movies they have been looking for.
A requests section on the tracker allows members who have PowerUser status to request movies they are looking for and that are not on KaraGarga. The request costs 750mb of your ratio (in order to prevent people from posting too many requests). If a user fills a request by uploading the requested movie and then entering the torrent URL in the request details the user receives a very large ratio bonus. To give a request more weight, all users can vote on requests. The more votes a request has, the larger the bonus will be for the person filling the request. If you vote on a request, the request is bumped to the top of the request list and you are put on a list to be automatically notified once the request is filled.

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Encourage the custom creation and translation of subtitles for rare movies.
There are countless of rare foreign movies out there for which English subtitles do not exist. We have a small but dedicated community of people working on creating custom subtitles for movies. This usually involves translating or transcribing, creating subtitle timings etc. We have a forum on creating custom subtitles here. If you want to start a subtitling project on your own or feel you can help others with their projects please feel free to post in that forum. Since custom subtitle creation is an enormous amount of work we offer large ratio bonuses for completed subtitling projects.



All of these factors contribute to the unique KaraGarga experience and should give you a better insight into how our community functions. Thank you for reading.

Axis of Action 06-15-2007 10:13 AM

Hey Rider, speaking of KG, do you have any invites left over? I forgot my password after not signing in for a while and, well, apparently you get 4 tries and you're fucked forever.

Rider 06-15-2007 12:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Axis of Action
Hey Rider, speaking of KG, do you have any invites left over? I forgot my password after not signing in for a while and, well, apparently you get 4 tries and you're fucked forever.


PM your address. Just don't screw up. Right now I could probably get unlimited invites, but if people keep getting banned they'll stop giving em to me.

Gossamer 06-15-2007 12:17 PM

If you invite someone to oink and they get banned you lose all your invites forever.


Pretty friggin lame imo.

Gossamer 06-15-2007 12:19 PM

edit: double post

smashingjj 06-15-2007 02:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gossamer
If you invite someone to oink and they get banned you lose all your invites forever.


Pretty friggin lame imo.

not true

Rider 06-15-2007 02:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by smashingjj
not true

If anything they need to shut of invites totally and redo the site. Every damn album on there is posted 20 times in 20 bitrates, there is no way to increase ratio at all on that site.

smashingjj 06-15-2007 02:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rider
If anything they need to shut of invites totally and redo the site. Every damn album on there is posted 20 times in 20 bitrates, there is no way to increase ratio at all on that site.

actually uploading every album in 20 bitrates is an excellent way to increase ratio

Steve Holt 06-15-2007 02:52 PM

i've been extremely cautious with my invites (10 remaining) because i don't trust anyone. i sent out one awhile ago, and the guy never even accepted it.

Gossamer 06-15-2007 03:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by smashingjj
not true

Any user abusing his invites (inviting cheaters or inviting back disabled users) will be permanently barred from receiving more invites.

Nate the Grate 06-15-2007 03:58 PM

^ that means inviting people that have already been banned, not inviting people that eventually get banned.

redbull 06-15-2007 06:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rider
You have nerve asking this after what you did with the KG invite I gave you:

rhinowing [email protected] 2007-04-18 21:42:56 5 days ago 8MB 70MB 0.120 Confirmed

You can't even up 70 fucking mb?!?

sorry. The only thing I wound up downloading was a Boredoms tape, which nobody else grabbed.

The New 06-17-2007 02:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rider
If anything they need to shut of invites totally and redo the site. Every damn album on there is posted 20 times in 20 bitrates, there is no way to increase ratio at all on that site.

I gave a friend an invite to their a couple of months ago
They uploaded 12GB in about 2-3 weeks without downloading anything

Rider 06-17-2007 02:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The New
I gave a friend an invite to their a couple of months ago
They uploaded 12GB in about 2-3 weeks without downloading anything

Wow a whole 12 gigs in a month. I've been on KG for about 30 months and have uploaded 20 times that. Trust me Oink is having major problems, to the point where they are going to start fucking with ratio, that's how other sites like KG do it, you get a bonus for various things besides just leaving a torrent open forever.

Ihaman 06-17-2007 04:52 AM

n/m

The New 06-17-2007 05:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rider
Wow a whole 12 gigs in a month. I've been on KG for about 30 months and have uploaded 20 times that.

Yeah, i was just showing that it is still quite possible to increase one's ratio there

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rider
Trust me Oink is having major problems, to the point where they are going to start fucking with ratio, that's how other sites like KG do it, you get a bonus for various things besides just leaving a torrent open forever.

I know they're having major problems, what exactly are they going to start doing to ratios?
Haven't looked at the forums there for a while

Rider 06-17-2007 03:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The New
Yeah, i was just showing that it is still quite possible to increase one's ratio there


I know they're having major problems, what exactly are they going to start doing to ratios?
Haven't looked at the forums there for a while


At one point they were asking for feedback about weighing the ratios arcording to number of seeds. The new hot leek seeds with 500+ seeds would count less then the rhings that have just one guy keeping them alive, or maybe it was the other way around nor sure.

All I Know is I've been stuck at basically the same spot for like 60 months now and that's with every torrent running 24/7.

The sie is fucked no matter what they, mess with ratio people will get pissed and leave, leave things as they are and eventually everyone gets banned.

Sone other traker will pick up the slack it's already starting .


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