really brave for a multi-millionare superstar recording artist, one of the few people that qualify as "monoculture" these days though i can't recall a single one of her songs ofc

anywho

really brave for her to want more money from spotify. i'm sure it will result in spotify paying everyone more, rather than just taylor swiff. so brave much guts wow





























































































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I think streaming services like Spotify are the best idea ever. Now instead of just downloading everything for free off the internet and nobody getting paid anything, I can pay a low monthly fee and get access to most of the music I listen to in one place. Plus you get artist radio and recommendations and the ability to share your music with friends easily.

This is the way music should be bought in the modern age. And this really should be the solution to the music industries problems.

But of course artists aren't getting a fair cut of the profits

The real problem is that Spotify has so little competition right now. They have more subscribers than the next like 4 or 5 streaming services combined

i think they should charge me more and pay more royalties to the people i listen to

but here's a tiny fucking violin for taylor swiff pullin a lars ulrich

spotify sucks

nah iz u

i'm sorry that not all of us are engineers or whatever who can afford to buy massive records and comics collections

I miss that era of kanye

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Tim Westergren, the multi-millionaire founder of Pandora, the country's top Internet radio service, has his heart set on building a new home that many believe would be the largest private residence in rural West Marin County. This has not been music to his new neighbors' ears.




Don't mess with those West Marin folk...just ask George Lucas.

doubt its really swiff that makes that call though. p sure she could care less

shake it off is the wors thing i ever heard.. that rap or whatever at the end.

I think streaming services like Spotify are the best idea ever. Now instead of just downloading everything for free off the internet and nobody getting paid anything, I can pay a low monthly fee and get access to most of the music I listen to in one place. Plus you get artist radio and recommendations and the ability to share your music with friends easily.

This is the way music should be bought in the modern age. And this really should be the solution to the music industries problems.

But of course artists aren't getting a fair cut of the profits

Yeah no, spotify pays artists fuck all money. Bandcamp is the only solution that is beneficial for both artists and listeners. You are doing better for bands by buying two albums a month off bandcamp at $5 each with the artists seeing $4.90 of that then spending $10/month on spotify with every artist you listen to that month seeing between like 0.2 and 9 cents each.

Don't be fooled: it's better than piracy but it isn't good enough to be a solution for artists.

He writes that Swift herself was on track to pull in $6 million this year for her own catalogue “before she pulled her catalog.”

http://techcrunch.com/2014/11/11/taylor-swift-was-on-track-to-make-6m-this-year-on-spotify-says-ceo-daniel-ek/

SHE RAGE QUIT!!!!@@!@@!##

I generally try to buy new albums from indie artists from Band camp

But it's like I'm not buying albums that are 10+ years old which is where most of the music I listen to comes from

if i want to buy your music then i'm going to get a hard copy.

i still don't see what the problem is with making it harder to do/paying them less

to be perfectly frank

i'd much rather have middle class be the top end of the musician career. seems to be what people are being big babies about. also the fact that they can't make it a career. oh boo hoo wah wah

Ideally artists should be able to carve out a living out of just playing live shows and selling merc.

I just don't like these musicians who just make music in their basement and put it up on band camp and are constantly trying to link people to it.

Actually recording your music should come after you've built up a market for it with your live performance. But idk, am I sounding Dad Rock?

It's pretty interesting to me

Like I think most good bands didn't set out to be huge, they just wanted to make enough to eat and not have to get a real job which is like the dream. But then we turned them into these big symbols of escape from our own lives

Trots do you think it's fair for artists to get a micropercentage of what their record label and advertisers get for each song of theirs that gets played, no matter which artist it is and how rich they already are?

no

i'm still going to use spotify though

no

That's alright then.

Did anyone make a thread for Radiohead when they did this?

if i want to buy your music then i'm going to get a hard copy.

i'll pay for a digital copy if it's not priced like they had to spend on the same production cost they had on a cd

this is the advantage itunes seemed to take on people who can't seem to figure that fairly obvious factor out

That's alright then.

Did anyone make a thread for Radiohead when they did this?

they're on spotify

i see the real problem as being that consumer capital ain't what it used to be

yeah, internet is sucking money and opportunity away from creatives. to some extent being able to make money off of it in any way is remarkable and i feel like it's a lot of bourgoise whining, to the other it is limiting opportunity and exposure on the other hand it broadens exposure and the market. it's got a lot of ins and a lot of outs. Lot of strands in the ol' duder's head

but still, consumers don't have as much money anymore either

whole thing is fucked

Don't get me wrong, I know we're never going back to the 80s thing where a band with enough chops could fill arenas and do coke all day everyday and set fire to money, and I don't want it to be that way. BUT as a musician I think it's pretty reasonable, if lots and lots of people are hearing and enjoying your music, for your to get some money back for all the hard work you've put in, especially now that it's possible for the consumer to pay significantly less for an album and you as an artist to still see a comparable amount of money to what you would have made prior to digital music distribution.

Bandcamp allows that to happen - it benefits both parties significantly. Spotify and other services like it benefit only the consumer, leaving many independent artists making the kinds of royalty cheques they would have made under an oppressive major-label contract, with a significant slice of the pie going to the retailer, just like we had under the old system.

they're on spotify

Oh, I thought they pulled their music, turns out I remembered it wrong and they're just highly critical of it. More critical than Taylor Swift is, by the sounds of things.

but yet still on spotify

Atoms for Peace isn't though.

that's a huge loss

I will also mention that betters pottyfi than youtube

i mean it's like trying to put the genie back in the bottle only thing we can hope for is responsible consumers so lol good luck. i like how taylor swiff sold the albumbs before quitting spotify. i mean the world is not enough is it Mrs. Lars Ulrich (I MEAN SERIOUSLY U GUYS)

That's pretty weak. One of the top grossing artists upset that she's not making enough. It's Taylor Swift though, no one expects her to have any integrity.

shut the fuck up, fuzzy

Yorke is very against it and nothing he does is on there but I'm not sure if Radiohead remains on there because of something contractual or if the other band members don't want to pull them off.

I'd imagine they don't own the rights to the recordings, EMI probably does (well for all the albums that came out on EMI anyway) so the band will have nocontrol over the situation.

king of limbs and in rainblows are on spotify

so the radioheads are hypocrites like EVERY OTHER BAND THEIR AGE BECOMES

IT WILL HAPPEN GENTLEMEN

BRACE YOURSELFS

RADIOHEADS WILL SELL OUT HARD

TAILOR SWIFF IS NOT PUTTING UP WITH THE HORRIBLE PEPOLE OF THE HORRIBLE MUSIC INDUSTRY

PARADIGNM SHIFF with TAILOR SWIFF!

TALORR SWIFF PISSES ON REAHIOHAD

NEWSFLASH ABSOLUTELY GROUNDBRAKING: TAILOR SWIFF BACK ON SPOCKEFY

It's unfair to compare her to Lars Ulrich. Spotify isn't piracy, it's just a majorly bum deal.

In Rainbows is not on spotify I tried to listen to it the other day and it was not there

It's unfair to compare her to Lars Ulrich. Spotify isn't piracy, it's just a majorly bum deal.

Sure, but it's not like she needs the money. She sold over a million records in the first week of release in todays climate. She's one of the top grossing "artists". Why not throw a bone to the fans who can't afford to buy her shitty music?

It doesn't matter if she needs the money, the same thing happens to every artist no matter how popular they are. Fans don't need a bone thrown to them because pirating music nets the artist virtually the same amount of money. Only record companies, spotify, its shareholders and advertisers stand to lose from piracy. Ever notice how it's only major record labels that try to crack down the hardest on piracy? Artists like Lars Ulrich are an anomaly.

also, shut the fuck up, fuzzy

It's unfair to compare her to Lars Ulrich. Spotify isn't piracy, it's just a majorly bum deal.

in the category of "ultra rich millionaire complains fans aren't buying enough of their stuff" they are identical, in fact taylor swiff just broke the record for number of records sold in a week didn't she? didn't she break taylor swiff's record?

taylor swiff just broke the record for number of records sold in a week didn't she? didn't she break taylor swiff's record?

That's too bad for spotify, then. Or good for spotify if she took her music off spotify after those confirmed sales.

wouldn't it be cool if she did it and said 'give everyone more or i'll never' and then other people joined in and stuff

but her management or her or whoever is just looking for a settlement possibly

i think she's a clueless white person, she'll play out like gwyneth i figure

Most artists that could make a difference by removing their music from spotify are pretty indifferent -- or at best ambivalent -- towards the pittance that it pays.

Yeah she could have done more, but people still care that she did it at all. If no-one feels like they should stand up against spotify, it's not TS's fault for not rallying them.

TAILOR SWIFFER TRIES TO MAKE A BIT MORE MONNIES BY WATCHIUNG HER OWN YOUTUBE CLIPS WHENEVER SHE CAN

i have to i say wasn't aware how big Taylor Swift was until i recently looked at a best selling artists of all time list and she was already there. Not in the top but higher than i'd have ever thought. God knows where she'll be on that list in 15 years (i suppose she might prove to have no longevity though)

But yeah, i honestly do not know any of her songs even by name

thing is she doubly doesn't need the money because shes from a rich family...like most best selling artists in recent years. If all thisi went away, shed still never have to worry about a living. It's like the rich get to rule us and ALSO to entertain us now. "Daddy can i get a record deal? I'm pretty....." Its not exactly a new thing but it's gotten worse. Well you gotta have someone to pay your bills while you're trying to make it.... And by that i mean while your dad is calling some people.

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that song about making out under the bleachers

the annoying-ass thing to john mayer that should only evoke "who gives a shit?" reactions from anyone, including john mayer

coupla others

yeah she really seems like clueless suburban rich girl the pop star, you know the kind of girl that has a pony

and the critics love it, she's a feminist icon

maybe shaunna could tell me why taylor swiff is worthy of praise

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i'm on dave grohl's side in this





i'm not sure how i feel about it

It's hard for me to understand why shes so popular. Her musics just god-awful... No redeeming qualities at all.


Like this steaming turd has over 200 million views.

Atleast an artist like Katy Perry has good songs, but this, this is just trash

TAILOR SWIFF SAYS FUZZYROESES IS A WORTHLESS PIECE OF SHIT
DAVE GROLL IS ON HER SIDE ON THIS

me too i can get behind that

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It's hard for me to understand why shes so popular.

Seriously?

yeah man. From a songwriting perspective most of her shit is absolute rubbish. As far as Pop-stars go her songs have to be near the bottom of the barrel.

You've certainly figured out the formula for popular music there, it can't be popular without quality songwriting, Taylor Swift is just an exception to the rule that requires popular music to have quality songwriting. There's no reason for her to be popular but it mysteriously happened anyway.

i know it's not like she can sing or is drop dead gorgeous or anything

I wouldn't say she's drop dead gorgeous. She's definitely pretty, but she's kind of boney and built like a boy.

She's interesting looking but still really hot

Like would still definitely do embarrassing things for a shot at sleeping with her even if she wasn't famous/10

Oh and didn't you guys hear she has a small ass? How can a pop star have a small ass? This shit is importants

we should turn of the internet

Well hey, you guys brought up her looks. I personally don't find her all that attractive. I mean she's cute in a girl next door kind of way but not so good looking to make up for her abysmal music.

I saw a couple of her interviews recently and she doesn't have much of a personality either. Seems like your typical, dumb airhead. It's hard to understand why Americas fallen in love with her.

not so good looking to make up for her abysmal music.

that was sexism

i already said she was clueless rich kid with a pony but i dunno if that makes her an AIRHEAD perse

I think a lot of her fame is owed to that outburst by Kanye West.

i still can't shake the fact that i'm on dave grohl's side so maybe taylor swift isn't so bad

I never really heard much about her until that went down

haha. Grohls a shitty songwriter but he seems like a genuinely good dude. Everything he said about Swift was bang on

One thing I found funny was that Swift was upset that the service had only made her 500 000 dollars... How tragic that must be

THOSE MANSIONS WONT PAY THEMSELVES