it's even closer than that lawyer lady. it's on the same block as me and i dont even have to cross the street! and im making two dollars more.

so like.. anyone else got any good news?

I get to move into UCLA a month earlier for a summer program
:)

how long do you usually work in one job before moving to a new job

i thought you bombed your finals. or was that someone else?

congratulations, though. :bananamac

how long do you usually work in one job before moving to a new job

however long i feel like it. homegirl wasnt giving me enough hours.

oh no, that wasnt me. Im just about to graduate high school and we still havent had finals.

oh. well. good luck on your finals. ^_^

however long i feel like it.



are you able to think back and maybe come up with an average?

thanks
good luck in your new job
:D

so you're finally making $2 over minimum wage - congratulations

are you able to think back and maybe come up with an average?
i dunno. the longest amount of time ive stayed at one place is a year. the shortest was like two days. >_>

however long i feel like it.

lol

so you're finally making $2 over minimum wage - congratulations
no i was working for free before.

thanks
good luck in your new job
:D
thanks dawg

*hug*

no i was working for free before.

you were doin' it for you, huh?

i dunno. the longest amount of time ive stayed at one place is a year. the shortest was like two days. >_>

that's not anything like an average unless you've only worked those two jobs. why are you making this so difficult

no problem sista

*hug*

how much is minimum wage there?

you were doin' it for you, huh?
out of the goodness of my heart. yes. :*

no problem sista

*hug*

how much is minimum wage there?
i have no idea. you might wanna ask nimrod. he seems to know. lol

So nimrod, what is minimum wage there?

that's not anything like an average unless you've only worked those two jobs. why are you making this so difficult
i dunno. i guess 6 months would be a pretty good average. i've moved back and forth a buncha times between 3 different cities. so ya know... whatever. and i might be moving again very soon to a 4th one. \o/

Congrats...that's the kind of job I want (close, I mean).

My good news is I successfully completed a real 2 hour yoga class (my first since taking the intro classes) and even though it kicked my ass, I'm ready to go back next week. It was that candelight yoga class...much more intense than it sounds.

<img src="http://natureyoga.com/insideart/shcand7.jpg">

Oh and I'm almost perfect with my choreography for my BD performance on May 18th. Woo!

Who gives a shit stacee, this threads about yo soy. Go make your own fucking thread.

yeah. i dont have to spend a cent on gas. ^_^ not like i could anyway since i dont have a car. but you know what i mean.

good luck on your performance. i cant believe we're already in may. dangit.

Good luck with the new job :)

Today started out pretty shitty for me but on the bright side of things I got my $150 back from my former insurance company from when they billed me after I canceled with them and it's going right into my savings account. Other than that, I am too tired to get annoyed with dumb patients today so I suppose that is a good thing.

does your perspective on your "career" really entail nothing but jumping from one badly paid job to the next for the rest of your life

what do you think your future pension status looks like at this point

Thats good news Erin. Keep up the good work. :)

friday is a weird day to start a new job.

So nimrod, what is minimum wage there?

8 bucks in Cali, which is asinine

Hey, I start my new job soon too! Woo!

Effective July 24, 2007, the federal minimum wage will increase to $5.85 an hour,
Effective July 24, 2008, the federal minimum wage will increase to $6.55 an hour; and
Effective July 24, 2009, the federal minimum wage will increase to $7.25 an hour.

thank god it's not 5.15 anymore...

Whoa... minimum wage is $8.07 in Washington State. That includes people who are servers in restaurants. They must be so rich. Everyone move here and work at Red Robin!

Effective July 24, 2007, the federal minimum wage will increase to $5.85 an hour,
Effective July 24, 2008, the federal minimum wage will increase to $6.55 an hour; and
Effective July 24, 2009, the federal minimum wage will increase to $7.25 an hour.

thank god it's not 5.15 anymore...
You have a poor understanding of economics.

congrats on not having to cross the street

You have a poor understanding of economics.
no, I understand perfectly

congz, glotr defender

today is my last final. in about 2 1/2 hours. also my birthday is a week from tomorrow

no, I understand perfectly
Well in that case you think it's a good thing to economically hurt the lower class, because that's what happens when you raise the minimum wage far beyond inflation.

congrats on not having to cross the street
thanks.

what the hell are you doing btw

he has a face suited for radio

nimrod is just pissedt hat he isnt going to be making 2 times as much as anyone anymore

So, you fired yet?

have you ever considered being a conservative talk show host.
Oh sorry, I don't see how sound economics proven time and time again are either "conservative" or "liberal." Math knows no party.

However it makes people feel better and pander to a voting demographic to raise the minimum wage, even though they know what they're doing is - in the long run - keeping them poor.

Oh sorry, I don't see how sound economics proven time and time again are either "conservative" or "liberal." Math knows no party.

However it makes people feel better and pander to a voting demographic to raise the minimum wage, even though they know what they're doing is - in the long run - keeping them poor.

so you haven't considered it?

Oh sorry, I don't see how sound economics proven time and time again are either "conservative" or "liberal." Math knows no party.

However it makes people feel better and pander to a voting demographic to raise the minimum wage, even though they know what they're doing is - in the long run - keeping them poor.

what a bunch of bullshit right there.

have you ever considered being a conservative talk show host.

he's just parroting other conservative talk show hosts anyways. it would be redundant.

:rolleyes:

Children, please. Do some research for once. BTW, the entire Bibliography is on this page for 50 years of economic studies on the minimum wage.
http://www.house.gov/jec/cost-gov/regs/minimum/50years.htm
<center>Summary of Research on the Minimum Wage

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The minimum wage reduces employment. <dir> Currie and Fallick (1993), Gallasch (1975), Gardner (1981), Peterson (1957), Peterson and Stewart (1969). </dir>
The minimum wage reduces employment more among teenagers than adults. <dir> Adie (1973); Brown, Gilroy and Kohen (1981a, 1981b); Fleisher (1981); Hammermesh (1982); Meyer and Wise (1981, 1983a); Minimum Wage Study Commission (1981); Neumark and Wascher (1992); Ragan (1977); Vandenbrink (1987); Welch (1974, 1978); Welch and Cunningham (1978). </dir>
The minimum wage reduces employment most among black teenage males. <dir> Al-Salam, Quester, and Welch (1981), Iden (1980), Mincer (1976), Moore (1971), Ragan (1977), Williams (1977a, 1977b). </dir>
The minimum wage helped South African whites at the expense of blacks. <dir> Bauer (1959). </dir>
The minimum wage hurts blacks generally. <dir> Behrman, Sickles and Taubman (1983); Linneman (1982). </dir>
The minimum wage hurts the unskilled. <dir> Krumm (1981). </dir>
The minimum wage hurts low wage workers. <dir> Brozen (1962), Cox and Oaxaca (1986), Gordon (1981). </dir>
The minimum wage hurts low wage workers particularly during cyclical downturns. <dir> Kosters and Welch (1972), Welch (1974). </dir>
The minimum wage increases job turnover. <dir> Hall (1982). </dir>
The minimum wage reduces average earnings of young workers. <dir> Meyer and Wise (1983b). </dir>
The minimum wage drives workers into uncovered jobs, thus lowering wages in those sectors. <dir> Brozen (1962), Tauchen (1981), Welch (1974). </dir>
The minimum wage reduces employment in low-wage industries, such as retailing. <dir> Cotterman (1981), Douty (1960), Fleisher (1981), Hammermesh (1981), Peterson (1981). </dir>
The minimum wage hurts small businesses generally. <dir> Kaun (1965). </dir>
The minimum wage causes employers to cut back on training. <dir> Hashimoto (1981, 1982), Leighton and Mincer (1981), Ragan (1981). </dir>
The minimum wage has long-term effects on skills and lifetime earnings. <dir> Brozen (1969), Feldstein (1973). </dir>
The minimum wage leads employers to cut back on fringe benefits. <dir> McKenzie (1980), Wessels (1980). </dir>
The minimum wage encourages employers to install labor-saving devices. <dir> Trapani and Moroney (1981). </dir>
The minimum wage hurts low-wage regions, such as the South and rural areas. <dir> Colberg (1960, 1981), Krumm (1981). </dir>
The minimum wage increases the number of people on welfare. <dir> Brandon (1995), Leffler (1978). </dir>
The minimum wage hurts the poor generally. <dir> Stigler (1946). </dir>
The minimum wage does little to reduce poverty. <dir> Bonilla (1992), Brown (1988), Johnson and Browning (1983), Kohen and Gilroy (1981), Parsons (1980), Smith and Vavrichek (1987). </dir>
The minimum wage helps upper income families. <dir> Bell (1981), Datcher and Loury (1981), Johnson and Browning (1981), Kohen and Gilroy (1981). </dir>
The minimum wage helps unions. <dir> Linneman (1982), Cox and Oaxaca (1982). </dir>
The minimum wage lowers the capital stock. <dir> McCulloch (1981). </dir>
The minimum wage increases inflationary pressure. <dir> Adams (1987), Brozen (1966), Gramlich (1976), Grossman (1983). </dir>
The minimum wage increases teenage crime rates. <dir> Hashimoto (1987), Phillips (1981). </dir>
The minimum wage encourages employers to hire illegal aliens. <dir> Beranek (1982). </dir>
Few workers are permanently stuck at the minimum wage. <dir> Brozen (1969), Smith and Vavrichek (1992). </dir>
The minimum wage has had a massive impact on unemployment in Puerto Rico. <dir> Freeman and Freeman (1991), Rottenberg (1981b). </dir>
The minimum wage has reduced employment in foreign countries. <dir> Canada: Forrest (1982); Chile: Corbo (1981); Costa Rica: Gregory (1981); France: Rosa (1981). </dir>
Characteristics of minimum wage workers <dir> Employment Policies Institute (1994), Haugen and Mellor (1990), Kniesner (1981), Mellor (1987), Mellor and Haugen (1986), Smith and Vavrichek (1987), Van Giezen (1994).</dir>

http://www.house.gov/jec/cost-gov/regs/minimum/against/against.htm

Jobs and the Minimum Wage
Economists have studied the job-destroying features of a higher minimum wage. Estimates of the job losses of raising the minimum wage from $4.25 to $5.15 have ranged from 625,000 to 100,000 lost jobs. It is important to recognize that the jobs lost are mainly entry-level jobs. By destroying entry-level jobs, a higher minimum wage harms the lifetime earnings prospects of low-skilled workers.
http://www.house.gov/jec/cost-gov/regs/minimum/against/fig-1_sm.gifClick here to see Figure 1. (http://www.house.gov/jec/cost-gov/regs/minimum/against/fig-1.gif)

Proponents have been able to muddle the debate by pointing to a study done by two Princeton economists, David Card and Alan Krueger. These economists claimed to find that raising the minimum wage does not lower employment. [1 (http://www.house.gov/jec/cost-gov/regs/minimum/against/against.htm#endnotes)] In one paper, they succeeded in casting doubt on 200 years of economic research and theory. Economists took their challenge seriously and attempted to recreate their results. It could not be done. Economists who attempted to replicate their work demonstrated conclusively that raising the minimum wage destroys jobs. [2 (http://www.house.gov/jec/cost-gov/regs/minimum/against/against.htm#endnotes)]
Even after the Card and Krueger study was fully discredited by economic science, it is still being used by proponents of higher minimum wages to support an increase. Why must they rely on discredited research to support their call for raising the minimum wage? Because they recognize that Americans do not support proposals that destroy jobs. Proponents often like to show survey results that say more than eighty percent of Americans support a higher minimum wage. Yet, the same survey shows less than half surveyed, 46 percent, support raising the minimum wage if it "might reduce the number of jobs available for workers with limited skills."[3 (http://www.house.gov/jec/cost-gov/regs/minimum/against/against.htm#endnotes)] Clearly, if Americans were informed of the true effects of raising the minimum wage, support would rapidly erode.
Minimum Wage Workers
Supporters claim that raising the minimum wage is important for working families. Secretary of Labor Robert Reich often repeats the fact that forty percent of minimum wage workers are the sole source of income for their families. This is misleading because it relies on lumping single, non-family individuals with families. Only 2.8 percent of workers earning less than $5.15 are single parents. [4 (http://www.house.gov/jec/cost-gov/regs/minimum/against/against.htm#endnotes)] Only 1.2 percent of all minimum wage workers were adult heads of households with incomes less than $10,000. [5 (http://www.house.gov/jec/cost-gov/regs/minimum/against/against.htm#endnot5)] Fifty-seven percent of minimum wage workers are single individuals, many of them living with their parents.
http://www.house.gov/jec/cost-gov/regs/minimum/against/fig-2_sm.gifClick here to see Figure 2. (http://www.house.gov/jec/cost-gov/regs/minimum/against/fig-2.gif)

Minimum wage workers are not parents struggling to feed their children. Rather, they are high school or college students living at home. The level of the minimum wage is irrelevant for most people in poverty. Only 9.2 percent of poor people of working age have full-time jobs. [6 (http://www.house.gov/jec/cost-gov/regs/minimum/against/against.htm#endnot5)]
http://www.house.gov/jec/cost-gov/regs/minimum/against/fig-3_sm.gifClick here to see Figure 3. (http://www.house.gov/jec/cost-gov/regs/minimum/against/fig-3.gif)

Side Effects of Raising the Minimum Wage
It has been well documented that the minimum wage destroys jobs, particularly the jobs of low-skilled, young workers. However, there are other equally pernicious side effects of higher minimum wages. Higher minimum wages make it more difficult for people to leave welfare and induce high-school students to drop out.
Dr. Peter Brandon of the Institute for Research on Poverty studied how raising the minimum wage affect the transition from welfare to work. [7 (http://www.house.gov/jec/cost-gov/regs/minimum/against/against.htm#endnot5)] He found that raising it keeps welfare mothers on welfare longer. Mothers on welfare in states that raised their minimum wage remained on welfare 44 percent longer than mothers on welfare in states where it was not raised.[8 (http://www.house.gov/jec/cost-gov/regs/minimum/against/against.htm#endnot5)]
The reason for this result is that raising the minimum wage induces some people to enter the labor market who would not apply if not for the higher level. With a larger labor market, employers choose higher-skilled applicants. Thus, raising the minimum wage hurts low-skilled workers in two ways. First, there are fewer jobs available. Second, with a larger pool of applicants, competition is stiffer. Low-skilled workers have a more difficult time getting those job skills that are crucial to economic well-being.
Another side effect of raising the minimum wage is that it increases the number of high-school students who drop out. [9 (http://www.house.gov/jec/cost-gov/regs/minimum/against/against.htm#endnot9)] Some of these students do not find employment. Another group of students are part of those applicants that compete jobs away from welfare recipients. Dropping out of school is very destructive. High school drop-outs have a very difficult time improving their well-being.
The Elusive Benefits of a Higher Minimum Wage
The proponents of a higher minimum wage argue that it is vitally important to raise it in order to improve the lives of poor workers. However, the raise will have only a limited impact on poor working families. [10 (http://www.house.gov/jec/cost-gov/regs/minimum/against/against.htm#endnot9)] A single parent with two children living in California would gain only 26 cents from a 90 cent increase in the minimum wage.
To put this gain in perspective, each minimum wage worker who earns $4.25 an hour brings home $3.92 for each hour worked once payroll taxes are deducted. The employer costs of a minimum wage worker is $4.58 an hour when the employers share of the payroll tax is included. [11 (http://www.house.gov/jec/cost-gov/regs/minimum/against/against.htm#endnot9)] If workers could take home the amount of money it costs the employer to hire workers, they could have 62 cents more per hour. Clearly, the California parent would be better off if the tax wedge were reduced, rather than increasing the minimum wage.
Conclusion
The campaign to raise the minimum wage will have little positive impact on the lives of poor people. Rather, it is a political measure that plays to a misunderstanding of the impact of higher minimum wages. The future of the American economy depends on a correct understanding of the causes of prosperity. For too long, attempts to relieve poverty have been misguided. To lift people out of poverty, we need a system that maximizes opportunities for economic well-being of low-skilled workers. Raising the minimum wage is a wrong-headed solution that will deprive young, poor Americans of an opportunity to improve their economic situation.

<dir><dir><dir><dir><dir><dir><dir><dir> Reed Garfield
Senior Economist

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Minimum Wages Reduce School Enrollment
Contrary to the rhetoric of those who favor raising the minimum wage, most people affected by the minimum wage are actually young workers. Individuals between the ages of 16 and 24 accounted for 53 percent of all minimum wage-earners in 2005.[2] (http://www.heritage.org/research/economy/wm1176.cfm#_ftn2) When the minimum wage rises, it increases the incomes of teenagers with minimum-wage jobs, making entering the workforce more attractive. This, in turn, can be expected to cause some students to spend less time in school and more time working. While the overall number of minimum-wage jobs might decrease, if employers prefer to hire teenagers to low-skilled adults, the number of teenagers enrolled in school would drop.

Recent research has confirmed exactly this effect. David Neumark, professor of economics at Michigan State University, and William Wascher, a researcher with the Federal Reserve, found that minimum wage hikes decrease the proportion of teenagers enrolled in school.[3] (http://www.heritage.org/research/economy/wm1176.cfm#_ftn3) In states which allow students to drop out of school before they are 18, a 10 percent increase in the minimum wage caused teenage school enrollment to drop by two percent. In states which require students to stay in school until they are 18, raising the minimum wage had no effect. In sum, when students have the option, higher minimum wages motivate some to leave school and start working.

Another recent paper confirms this conclusion. Duncan Chaplin of the Urban Institute, Mark Turner of John Hopkins University, and Andreas Pape of Michigan State University examined teenagers’ continuation ratios—the proportion of a school’s students in any year who either graduate or progress to the next grade level.[4] (http://www.heritage.org/research/economy/wm1176.cfm#_ftn4) They found that higher minimum wages decreased continuation ratios and led teenagers to drop out of school. Again, this result was present only in states where teenagers could drop out of school at younger ages.

Workers need skills and education to get ahead in the economy, and workers without a high school diploma face difficult career prospects. Raising the minimum wage actually motivates teenagers to make choices that may push them into poverty later in life.

Long-Term Effects of Minimum Wages
The fact that minimum wages reduce educational attainment suggests examining their long-term effects. In a recent study, Neumark and Olena Nizalova, of Michigan State University, examined the incomes of adults who had been teenagers when minimum wages rose in their states.[5] (http://www.heritage.org/research/economy/wm1176.cfm#_ftn5) They found that minimum wage hikes reduced both the probability of holding a job and the incomes of workers exposed to them over a decade later. They also found that this negative effect is larger for African-Americans than for whites, perhaps because more African-Americans hold jobs that pay near the minimum wage.

Raising the minimum wage has these negative long-term effects because it alters the choices that people make today in ways that have long-term consequences. It induces some students to drop out of school, reducing their long-term employability. By raising unemployment and eliminating entry-level jobs, minimum wage hikes also eliminate opportunities for workers to gain valuable experience and skills that prepare them for future jobs. These unintended consequences severely hamper low-income workers’ future job and earning prospects.

Minimum Wage Increases Do Not Reduce Poverty
For all the negative unintended effects of the minimum wage, it is perhaps not surprising that the minimum wage does not reduce poverty.[6] (http://www.heritage.org/research/economy/wm1176.cfm#_ftn6) Neumark and Wascher found that minimum wage hikes increased the probability that poor families escaped poverty but also increased the probability that previously non-poor families fell below the poverty line. Overall, poverty rates did not change. Neumark and Wascher conclude that raising minimum wages does not reduce poverty:

On balance, we find no compelling evidence supporting the view that minimum wages help in the fight against poverty. Rather, because not only the wage gains but also the disemployment effects of minimum wage increases are concentrated among low-income families, the various tradeoffs created by minimum wage increases more closely resemble income redistribution among low-income families than income redistribution from high- to low-income families.[7] (http://www.heritage.org/research/economy/wm1176.cfm#_ftn7)

On balance, then, the minimum wage leaves low-income Americans no better off in the short term and far worse off in the long term.

Conclusion
Due to unintended effects, a law can achieve the opposite of its supporters’ intentions. The minimum wage is such a law. It is intended to reduce poverty, but it does not. Instead it encourages teenagers to drop out of school and reduces low-income workers’ future job prospects and earnings. Good intentions are not enough. Congress should not pass a destructive minimum wage hike that will harm the most vulnerable American workers.

I like how all the sources in that go to heritage.org

nimrod was like if fred durst read ayn rand

lol wow

nimrod was like if fred durst read ayn rand

holy shit yes

and was a champion poker player thats cooler than you

thanks for the memories. that job ruled.

I sprouted wings, which was pretty cool, but they fell off.

i miss Nimrod. I liked it when i pissed him off by telling him I made more money than he did.

Oh god nimrod