so, who's pastorcraig?

[Eulogy]

Originally posted by ryan patrick


contextualism is bullshit. it's reinterpreting the bible to fit your needs. so are you saying that slavery was ok, but now it is not? why? did god change his mind? if so, why? god knows all, correct? then why would god ever have to change his mind?

No that's not it. God did not write the Bible. People did. And you have to take int account the way that people lived when they wrote whatever it is they wrote when you're trying to interpret what they wrote. Doesn't that make some sense?

If the Bible was sent from heaven with a little tag that said "To: people - From: God" then you might have a point.

[ryan patrick]

Originally posted by BeautifulLoser

Another thing to think about, when reading those passages... what about people who aren't Christian but who are good people? A majority of my friends fall into that category. I have friends who are Buddhist, Muslim, and Pagan. Does that mean I shouldn't hang out with them, or consider them friends?

refer to the 2 John citation for that. it says that you cannot associate with someone who does not follow the doctrine of Christ or you yourself are committing and evil deed. do you not think that you're doing evil when you talk to them? then either you're saying god is wrong or you're saying that the bible, as written, is wrong. since it is senseless to believe in a god you think does wrong, i'm guessing you'd have to decide on the latter. in that case, you have to wonder: how much of it is wrong then? why am i following a "Holy document" that has errors?

[ryan patrick]

Originally posted by Eulogy


No that's not it. God did not write the Bible. People did. And you have to take int account the way that people lived when they wrote whatever it is they wrote when you're trying to interpret what they wrote. Doesn't that make some sense?

If the Bible was sent from heaven with a little tag that said "To: people - From: God" then you might have a point.

then how can you trust any of the bible if you can't trust parts of it? that's ridiculous. if someone gave me a course on anatomy that had some of the parts of the body right but flubbed around on others, and then i tried to do surgery, i'd be pretty fucked, eh? yet you're running your life based on the suggestions of what you admit is a flawed doctrine. you'd be just as well off making up your own.

this argument comes down to me not believing in god, but moreover i don't believe in organized religion. if you were all theists that followed no aged, erroneous document, that would be fine. but you're not. you join a church that exists in order to belong instead of forming your own beliefs.

[Eulogy]

Originally posted by ryan patrick


then how can you trust any of the bible if you can't trust parts of it? that's ridiculous. if someone gave me a course on anatomy that had some of the parts of the body right but flubbed around on others, and then i tried to do surgery, i'd be pretty fucked, eh? yet you're running your life based on the suggestions of what you admit is a flawed doctrine. you'd be just as well off making up your own.

this argument comes down to me not believing in god, but moreover i don't believe in organized religion. if you were all theists that followed no aged, erroneous document, that would be fine. but you're not. you join a church that exists in order to belong instead of forming your own beliefs.

First, in response to what you said to BL, we are all sinners. So I mean, saying 'fuck,' skipping church, associating with satanists.....whatever, it's all considered sinful or whatever. But it's not anything that can't be forgiven.

And you're making way way way too many assumptions about me. As a 17-year-old, I don't know what I believe and what I don't believe yet. I don't think you've enough experience to claim to know exactly where you stand on everything either. but maybe you do, I won't speak for you.

I'm merely defending Chrisitianity because it is totally legitimate. I mean, if you think these arguements of yours are shooting Christian philosophy full of holes, then you're just misinformed.

[Eulogy]

Originally posted by ryan patrick


then how can you trust any of the bible if you can't trust parts of it? that's ridiculous. if someone gave me a course on anatomy that had some of the parts of the body right but flubbed around on others, and then i tried to do surgery, i'd be pretty fucked, eh? yet you're running your life based on the suggestions of what you admit is a flawed doctrine. you'd be just as well off making up your own.

again, that's not the same thing.

The first books of the Bible came into being a really, really, really long time ago. The world was a very different place. While writings were inspired by God, they were not actually written down by him. He (supposedly) worked through human beings. Human beings that lived in the world around them. Their writings relate to the times in which they wrote them. You have to try and adapt them to modern times. There are still lessons to be learned.

Would you really expect to take writings that old and be able to directly apply them to modern times? That doesn't make much sense.

[BeautifulLoser]

Originally posted by ryan patrick


the bible is either right or it is not. if it is not, then none of it can be trusted.

believing and Jesus but not the rest is lazy and it just has to do with feeling like you're going to have an afterlife

The concept that you need to accept Jesus into your life to be saved has never changed with any version of the Bible... only the goofy stories and the various "laws". I don't see your point.

[BeautifulLoser]

Originally posted by Eulogy


No that's not it. God did not write the Bible. People did. And you have to take int account the way that people lived when they wrote whatever it is they wrote when you're trying to interpret what they wrote. Doesn't that make some sense?

If the Bible was sent from heaven with a little tag that said "To: people - From: God" then you might have a point.

The original people that wrote the original version of the Bible were driven by God to do so. That's why we assume it's God's Word.

Yeah, some shmoe could have said he was directed by God to write sometihng and then write bullshit.... but that's why I take it with a grain of salt.

[BeautifulLoser]

Originally posted by ryan patrick


refer to the 2 John citation for that. it says that you cannot associate with someone who does not follow the doctrine of Christ or you yourself are committing and evil deed. do you not think that you're doing evil when you talk to them? then either you're saying god is wrong or you're saying that the bible, as written, is wrong. since it is senseless to believe in a god you think does wrong, i'm guessing you'd have to decide on the latter. in that case, you have to wonder: how much of it is wrong then? why am i following a "Holy document" that has errors?

Refer to my other posts about that.

[Eulogy]

Originally posted by BeautifulLoser


The original people that wrote the original version of the Bible were driven by God to do so. That's why we assume it's God's Word.

Yeah, some shmoe could have said he was directed by God to write sometihng and then write bullshit.... but that's why I take it with a grain of salt.

...but God didn't dictate what he wanted written.

So yeah, the ideas were put into their heads, and they translated them into writings that would make sense to the people of that time. right?

[neopryn]

god can smoke my big fat cock

[BeautifulLoser]

Originally posted by Eulogy


Would you really expect to take writings that old and be able to directly apply them to modern times? That doesn't make much sense.

Exactly.

Another thing I hate is when people pull things from the Old Testament and say "What about this?" Jesus pretty much said in the New Testament that all sins are forgiven through him, so all those Jewish laws concerning sacrificing lambs and such doesn't apply anymore. He also said that eating pork is ok because "all things made by God are clean"... I can't find the exact verses....

[Eulogy]

Originally posted by neopryn
god can smoke my big fat cock

hey now

your cock is neither big nor fat.

[relaxor!]

Originally posted by ryan patrick
you join a church that exists in order to belong instead of forming your own beliefs.

Well, to be fair most Christians are born into it. It makes them feel good, they grow up in the pleasant community of the church and it all starts to make sense to them in a Christian way.
Not every atheist is cutting edge individual. They all belong to the same state of mind that 'That makes sense to me so I won't question it.' It's not as though they know the truth, I don't think it makes sense at all to say that humanity is just a few steps away from knowing it all. Just like Christians, or many other organized religion, Science is just in pursuit of the truth that suits them. Just like old world religions may seem outdated to modern people, so do old scientific theories. In two thousand more years our scientific ideas may form the principles of their beliefs, but many aspects of our knowledge will surely be proven 'wrong'. And then it'll happen again.

[BeautifulLoser]

Originally posted by Eulogy


...but God didn't dictate what he wanted written.

So yeah, the ideas were put into their heads, and they translated them into writings that would make sense to the people of that time. right?

Yes.

[neopryn]

i'm being ironic

[relaxor!]

Sorry to jump all over your Ryan, just like everyone else. You don't need to reply to mine.
I don't believe in Christianity anyways, or 'god', but the idea behind god as a life force in the universe makes sense to me.

[Eulogy]

Originally posted by relaxor!
Sorry to jump all over your Ryan, just like everyone else. You don't need to reply to mine.
I don't believe in Christianity anyways, or 'god', but the idea behind god as a life force in the universe makes sense to me.

oh, i'm sure he can take it.

[vanilla]

Originally posted by BeautifulLoser
You really should. Those comics make me ROFL

Aah, yes, here it is...

http://www.chick.com/reading/tracts/0046/0046_01.asp

that is just idiotic and ridiculous.

[barden]

Originally posted by KrazeeStacee


The board could be closed because of baden trying to fucking sell acid and shit over the internet. Not because of your little messageboard.

Besides...I heard you've done your own part of making illegal photographs, too.

So shut up, cunt. Please go back to wherever you came from. Kthx.

I haven’t sold any drugs over the internet.
At all.

I wasn’t trying to either. Someone asked me to help them out; I didn’t come here saying ‘I NEED MONEY, WHO WANTS DRUGS’

Man, all weed smokers and such I’ve met had a sense of community, a bonding mentality. And, need I remind you, you yourself have posted extensively on drug use.

We’re in the same ‘pot’ dear. I get flak, you get it too.

[meow]

Originally posted by barden


I haven’t sold any drugs over the internet.

this is awesome out of context

[The Light]

Oh my my my.

Netphoria and smoking are just manifestations of your problem; it will still be there if you stop posting and smoking.

Wow.

[Varien]

Originally posted by EXTRAVA******
do you realize how fucking awesome that would be.

Not even close to reading this whole thread, and that's by far going to be the best post.

[KrazeeStacee]

Originally posted by barden


I haven’t sold any drugs over the internet.
At all.

I wasn’t trying to either. Someone asked me to help them out; I didn’t come here saying ‘I NEED MONEY, WHO WANTS DRUGS’

Man, all weed smokers and such I’ve met had a sense of community, a bonding mentality. And, need I remind you, you yourself have posted extensively on drug use.

We’re in the same ‘pot’ dear. I get flak, you get it too.

I've come to the conclusion that you just don't get it. So nevermind, baden.

[funnygeezus]

Originally posted by vanilla

that is just idiotic and ridiculous.

you think so, but have you actually played d&d? i have, and i can tell you: IT'S EXACTLY LIKE THAT! except girls don't ever play, but the witchcraft and the hanging because of a dead character parts were pretty accurate.

RIP SEAN 1983-1999
RIP VALAD 253-276 (game time)

[Lucy Sky Diamonds]

Originally posted by BeautifulLoser
You really should. Those comics make me ROFL

Aah, yes, here it is...

http://www.chick.com/reading/tracts/0046/0046_01.asp

http://www.chick.com/reading/tracts/1710/1710_01.asp

[vanilla]

Originally posted by funnygeezus


you think so, but have you actually played d&d? i have, and i can tell you: IT'S EXACTLY LIKE THAT! except girls don't ever play, but the witchcraft and the hanging because of a dead character parts were pretty accurate.

RIP SEAN 1983-1999
RIP VALAD 253-276 (game time)

really?! i don't know much about D & D.

[BeautifulLoser]

Originally posted by vanilla

really?! i don't know much about D & D.

He was just kidding.

I hope.

Actually, it's more like this: http://www.emp3world.com/to_download.php?id=21947 (right click and save)

[LittleWing]

Originally posted by Lucy Sky Diamonds


http://www.chick.com/reading/tracts/1710/1710_01.asp

http://www.chick.com/tractimages9587/1710/1710_02.gif
so THATS what god looks like!

[Liquid-J]

Originally posted by LittleWing

http://www.chick.com/tractimages9587/1710/1710_02.gif
so THATS what god looks like!

that's glass

[Rider]

Originally posted by killer_tomato

i recall you saying you considered yourself atheist in a few threads. why are you spending time in some fucked up sect?

Cause the cute guy she is fucking is in the youth group.