Bush asked to dump Cheney

[sppunk]

Associated Press

ALBANY, N.Y. – A former Republican senator said Wednesday that President Bush should drop Vice President Dick Cheney from the GOP ticket and replace him with either Secretary of State Colin Powell or Arizona Sen. John McCain.

"As an observer of politics, I believe the president can guarantee his essential re-election by looking to several other notable individuals who would add a great dimension to his ticket as a running mate," former Sen. Alfonse D'Amato of New York wrote in a statement.

Often questioned about whether Mr. Cheney would be dropped, Mr. Bush and White House officials have been steadfast in their support for the vice president.

Mr. D'Amato said Mr. Powell would "help galvanize the nation and offer a truly historic opportunity for American unity and pride." The former senator described Mr. McCain, a former Vietnam POW, as "a genuine American hero who would also help bridge the political divide in our nation."

[Mayfuck]

How could he not go with Powell or McCain? That would be a fucking shoe in.

[I_was_aborted]

Umm maybe McCain but I doubt Powell would be a "shoe in".

[BeautifulLoser]

Originally posted by I_was_aborted
Umm maybe McCain but I doubt Powell would be a "shoe in".

Not only that, I doubt Powell would even do it, or that Bush would want him to do it. From what I have heard, Powell isn't really that well liked in the Bush camp, especially after admitting on camera that the evidence he gave to the UN wasn't correct, even after one of Powell's advisors jumped out on camera and basically told him to shut up.

Amazing how that wasn't really in the news much.

[jczeroman]

You know who would be a shoe-in:

Rudolph Gulianni

[BeautifulLoser]

Originally posted by jczeroman
You know who would be a shoe-in:

Rudolph Gulianni

...and a kitten?

[I_was_aborted]

Not to mention adding McCain to the ticket would be like giving out a blow pop with each castration.

[homechicago]

considering that the bush team tried to paint him as the father of illegitmate children to knock him out of the running in 2000, i see no reason mccain would feel honored to be the guy's veep.

[BlueStar]

Old news. There has been talk of Bush dropping Cheney for awhile now. He won't do it. Obviously, dropping Cheney for any of the people mentioned in this thread would be a bump for Bush...but, again, he won't drop Cheney. McCain and Powell do not get along with Bush...I can't see him ever asking either of those two. However, Gulianni is a name that has been thrown around for a long time as a replacement for Cheney...and I think he would definitely accept the position. Now, all that being said, if it is October and the polls show Bush trailing badly, I wouldn't be too shocked if Cheney suddenly "resigned" and Gulianni stepped in.

[sppunk]

Originally posted by BlueStar
Old news. There has been talk of Bush dropping Cheney for awhile now. He won't do it. Obviously, dropping Cheney for any of the people mentioned in this thread would be a bump for Bush...but, again, he won't drop Cheney. McCain and Powell do not get along with Bush...I can't see him ever asking either of those two. However, Gulianni is a name that has been thrown around for a long time as a replacement for Cheney...and I think he would definitely accept the position. Now, all that being said, if it is October and the polls show Bush trailing badly, I wouldn't be too shocked if Cheney suddenly "resigned" and Gulianni stepped in.

The talk is old, the senate push is new.

If Bush drops Cheney and adds any sort of dynamic figure, Bush wins the election by six ponits ... at least.

[BlueStar]

Originally posted by sppunk


If Bush drops Cheney and adds any sort of dynamic figure, Bush wins the election by six ponits ... at least.

I wouldn't go that far. No president wins the election because of their VP pick. However, that being said, when an election is this close... ex. in the latest polls, a quarter of the respondants said they will vote for Kerry because of Edwards...and when things are close, that could make a difference. So yeah, Bush dumping Cheney would help him a little...but, I wouldn't go so far as to say that it would give him an automatic win.

[sppunk]

Originally posted by BlueStar


I wouldn't go that far. No president wins the election because of their VP pick. However, that being said, when an election is this close... ex. in the latest polls, a quarter of the respondants said they will vote for Kerry because of Edwards...and when things are close, that could make a difference. So yeah, Bush dumping Cheney would help him a little...but, I wouldn't go so far as to say that it would give him an automatic win.

More than 50 percent of the voters say they will make their mind up the day of the election. I think personality will play a bigger role than policies this year.

[BlueStar]

Originally posted by sppunk


More than 50 percent of the voters say they will make their mind up the day of the election. I think personality will play a bigger role than policies this year.

That is quite typical. Personality/perception always plays a bigger role than policies. How the hell do you think Bush got people to vote for him in the first place? It was all "Gore is too stiff, Bush seems like someone I can go have a beer with". For the majority of voters, it is all about perception...it is about the campaign ads, the photo ops, etc. The Kennedy-Nixon debate is another prime example...appearnce is always going to top substance. And right now, Kerry and Edwards are milking the appearance thing for all it is worth...all the pics with the all their kids walking hand-in-hand, etc., etc. Edwards has already really lightened Kerry up...he looks friendlier and less stiff, is cracking jokes, etc., etc....and that is going to help Kerry a lot.

[sppunk]

Originally posted by BlueStar


That is quite typical. Personality/perception always plays a bigger role than policies. How the hell do you think Bush got people to vote for him in the first place? It was all "Gore is too stiff, Bush seems like someone I can go have a beer with". For the majority of voters, it is all about perception...it is about the campaign ads, the photo ops, etc. The Kennedy-Nixon debate is another prime example...appearnce is always going to top substance. And right now, Kerry and Edwards are milking the appearance thing for all it is worth...all the pics with the all their kids walking hand-in-hand, etc., etc. Edwards has already really lightened Kerry up...he looks friendlier and less stiff, is cracking jokes, etc., etc....and that is going to help Kerry a lot.

I think they are gay with each other.

http://www.drudgereport.com/kerryk.htm

[BlueStar]

Originally posted by sppunk


I think they are gay with each other.

http://www.drudgereport.com/kerryk.htm

They're so cute together! I love it.

[I_was_aborted]

I think Bush dropping Cheney or even Cheney resigning would hurt the Bush campaign even more. It would be seen as some sort of admittance that A)Cheney isn't right for the job and never was, B)The Bush administration needs to do something because they are on the road to losing or C)Bush can't win the election so he needs someone else to do it for him.

I pray he keeps Cheney though because anyone who can identify with that man will most likely be dead by November.

[BlueStar]

Originally posted by I_was_aborted
I think Bush dropping Cheney or even Cheney resigning would hurt the Bush campaign even more. It would be seen as some sort of admittance that A)Cheney isn't right for the job and never was, B)The Bush administration needs to do something because they are on the road to losing or C)Bush can't win the election so he needs someone else to do it for him.

That's exactly what the Democrats and political pundits will come out and say if it ever happened. However, the average voter won't really give a rat's ass why Cheney is gone (unless, of course, it involves some sort of sex scandal).

[I_was_aborted]

Originally posted by BlueStar


However, the average voter won't really give a rat's ass why Cheney is gone (unless, of course, it involves some sort of sex scandal).

That might be true for past elections but maybe not so for this one. We will see, maybe.

[sawdust restaurants]

Originally posted by BlueStar
(unless, of course, it involves some sort of sex scandal).

Eh, Cheney can't fuck. Bad for the heart, y'know.

[BlueStar]

Drop Cheney? Democrats hope not

Speculation abounds in Washington after GOP ex-senator urges new Bush running mate

By Tom Curry
National affairs writer
MSNBC
Updated: 12:11 p.m. ET July 09, 2004

Threshold for drama
In an era of spectacular political events, from Bill Clinton’s impeachment to the 2000 election recount to the airplane crash deaths of Democratic Senate candidates Mel Carnahan in 2000 and Sen. Paul Wellstone in 2002, the electorate’s threshold for drama has been raised.

But by any standard, a Cheney adieu would qualify as truly dramatic.

A memo written by a Washington-based political consultant and currently making the rounds in the capital sketches a Cheney exit scenario.

The memo notes Bush’s low job approval ratings in national polls.

“Only dramatic events create dramatic opportunities to change these perceptions. Why? During dramatic events the public’s attention is fixated on nothing else but the event in question,” the memo says.

A Cheney resignation would, it says, push Kerry and Edwards to the side. The news media coverage of who’d replace Cheney would be “pervasive and overwhelming. With less than a week to the Democratic Convention, little attention is given to Senator Kerry’s policy and political agenda. The Democratic nominee is relegated to the second-tier of the news cycle.”

A Cheney resignation would give Bush the opportunity to nominate his successor who, under the 25th Amendment to the Constitution, would have to be confirmed by a majority vote of the House and the Senate.

The memo assumes McCain would be the nominee.

“Can Sen. Kerry vote against the Vice-President select? Of course not,” the memo says. “Can he vote for him? Of course not. Can he abstain? Of course not. There is no right answer…. Can anyone imagine a more dramatic moment in recent political history?”

And perhaps it is a moment that will play out only in the summer nightmares of some Democrats.

[wounded]

i think mccain hates bush.

but he is for the party.