someone do me a favour

[scouse_dave]

Originally posted by Oblivious:
you're wrong and i'm right and that's good enough for me.

it's not worth me even bothering to reply if that's your attitude

thanks for the insults tho, they were appreciated...

[scouse_dave]

Originally posted by lucky_13:
eh you can dislike their beliefs but if you dislike the group as a whole it is anti-semitism. sorry.

so, AND I'M NOT COMPARING JEWS TO THE KKK, you're allowed to dislike a kkk clansman's views but not the clansman himeself? this would be prejudice on your behalf?

bullshit...

i

[scouse_dave]

Originally posted by Lie:
I'm not talking about the Jewish faith. And I'm not talking about the people in this thread. I don't agree with most of the people in this thread. I'm talking about your attitude. You seem to enjoy upsetting people.

some people are easily upset...what can i do...

[Lie]

Originally posted by scouse_dave:
so, AND I'M NOT COMPARING JEWS TO THE KKK, you're allowed to dislike a kkk clansman's views but not the clansman himeself? this would be prejudice on your behalf?

bullshit...

i

The KKK isn't inherent in the blood of its members. It's something you choose to be and the general basis for it is a belief. So in that case, if you don't believe in white supremacy, it's not the worst thing in the world to say that you don't really like KKK members. Judaism, on the other hand, is sort of borderline religion and a race. Jewish families may be typically more conservative or closeminded because their religion is very traditional, but the kids who are raised in those families are still just kids, and whether they choose to keep their religion or not (many do just for the sake of being close to family), they're still individual people who deserve to be treated as such. And even conservative Jews deserve to be treated individually. You don't know how they all incorporate religion into their lives, you don't know what they're like as people, and therefore it seems to me to be a rash generalization to make any kind of judgement on a group of people that large and varied.

Having a problem with the Jewish religion is fine, but you have to remember that Jews are also people, that some take their religion less seriously than others, and some abandon it all together. When you say you dislike Jews, you're not just saying you dislike the Jewish system of belief, you're talking about disliking a whole lot of people you've never met.

Now aside from that, unless you want to act out your dislike of Jews politically, I don't have a problem with it. It doesn't make me comfortable, I might not want to be your best friend, but I don't think you should be thrown into a pit full of angry wolves for having an opinion.

[Lie]

Originally posted by scouse_dave:
some people are easily upset...what can i do...

It's a two-way street, but you know you don't have to provoke certain people who you know are too sensitive about certain subjects to have a legitimate discussion with.

[Fattening Ass]

Jew this Jew that. Whatcha gonna Jew?

[beef curtains]

Originally posted by Amazing Disgrace:
Because my uncle Norman is no longer a Mormon, and he married her.

So Norman was a Mormon?

[scouse_dave]

Originally posted by Lie:
It's a two-way street, but you know you don't have to provoke certain people who you know are too sensitive about certain subjects to have a legitimate discussion with.

i'm not gonna ignore certain people or keep my opinions to myself cos they may offend these certain people you speak of

[scouse_dave]

Originally posted by Amazing Disgrace:
Why? Because I like my Aunt Linda regardless of her ethnicity or religious belief? That makes me an idiot?

no, because you think your Aunt Linda or your views on her are relevant to the discussion

[beef curtains]

Originally posted by scouse_dave:
i'm not gonna ignore certain people or keep my opinions to myself cos they may offend these certain people you speak of

translated: "i'm bored"

[BeautifulLoser]

As much as I don't like Suze sometimes...

Dave, that's pretty fucked up. There are alot of black people I don't like, but I don't say that I hate all black people. There are even more white people that I don't like, but that doesn't make all of us bad.

Suze isn't annoying because she's a jew, she is because she just is.

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Originally posted by Ketchup:
eat a big bowl of botulism, fuckstain.

[scouse_dave]

Originally posted by So very sad about me:
translated: "i'm bored"

hahah...it's troo!!

i've had enough of yahoo chess for the time being...

[ZERO]

Originally posted by So very sad about me:
So Norman was a Mormon?

hah stole it outta my mouth!

[scouse_dave]

Originally posted by Fattening Ass:
Jew this Jew that. Whatcha gonna Jew?

take your antisemitism someplace else!!

[kypper]

Originally posted by Oblivious:
dave is a fucking creep. for him to insinuate that he has negative convictions in regards to jews because he can't get past his own closed mindedness is not only heinous but it's pretty fucking laughable that he would be so judgemental and confining. he obviously has no idea what it feels like to be part of a minorty and therefore his opinion really shouldn't even matter okay suze? he's just some random idiot with internet access.

Yeah, but you're ugly.

[scouse_dave]

Originally posted by BeautifulLoser:
Dave, that's pretty fucked up. There are alot of black people I don't like, but I don't say that I hate all black people. There are even more white people that I don't like, but that doesn't make all of us bad.

i'm commenting on their religion rather than their race...

people criticise scientologists all the time...labelling them stupid etc

try it with jews tho and YOU'RE A HATEFUL ANTISEMITE!!! YOU BASTARD!!!

DON'T YOU KNOW THAT JEWS WERE KILLED IN THE HOLOCAUST, YOU INSENSITIVE PRICK!1 1!11

[This message has been edited by scouse_dave (edited 10-01-2002).]

[Fattening Ass]

Originally posted by scouse_dave:
take your antisemitism someplace else!!

Quiet, Jew.

[kypper]

Originally posted by Amazing Disgrace:
My aunt Linda is a Jew, and she's one of the nicest people I've ever met. She isn't rude or annoying.

Uhh, you need to study psychology. Saying "but my grandmother didn't get cancer despite the fact that she worked in the hot sun for 40 years" doesn't mean the sun doesnt' cause skin cancer. http://www.netphoria.org/wwwboard/rolleyes.gif

My point is, regardless of your Aunt, Jews may still play the trump card of anti-semetism.

[Fattening Ass]

Favor.

[Samsa]

Originally posted by scouse_dave:
dear oh dear...i NEVER said i hated jews

learn to read...

how many times do you need to be told? it's like england and europe ALL OVER AGAIN

so suddenly there's a difference between 'i don't like jews' and 'all the jews i know have been self-centered something something i forget' and 'i hate jews' ? jesus christ. you are so fucked up.

[kypper]

Originally posted by Samsa:
so suddenly there's a difference between 'i don't like jews' and 'all the jews i know have been self-centered something something i forget' and 'i hate jews' ? jesus christ. you are so fucked up.

Most of the girls I've known "have been self-centered something something i forget." That doesn't mean I'm gay.

[Samsa]

Originally posted by So very sad about me:

150 years ago my people were forced off their land, given typhoid infested blankets, killed, and other atrocities. They CURRENTLY are the poorest, most uneducated people because of continued oppression. Do you see me regularly raising a fit about it here?

no, because no one on netphoria talks about how all irishmen are bad or how their religion is inherently wrong. well not in so many words. i didn't bring this up out of the fucking blue if you haven't noticed. some creep made a post about how he just realized that the reason i'm such a bitch is because i'm jewish. and your retarded boyfriend agreed. you don't think that's wrong? are you mentally retarded?

[BeautifulLoser]

Originally posted by scouse_dave:
i'm commenting on their religion rather than their race...

people criticise scientologists all the time...labelling them stupid etc

try it with jews tho and YOU'RE A HATEFUL ANTISEMITE!!! YOU BASTARD!!!

DON'T YOU KNOW THAT JEWS WERE KILLED IN THE HOLOCAUST, YOU INSENSITIVE PRICK!1 1!11

[This message has been edited by scouse_dave (edited 10-01-2002).]

If you do that with any religion, you're a fucking cock. I hate hate HATE *HATE* it when people push all people together into a specific stereotype, be it religion, race, sex, or otherwise. I'm Christian, but I don't run around trying to pester people into following Jesus Christ to the point where the punch me in the face. I don't run around telling people they're going to hell. But alot of Christians do that. And I can't stand it when people assume that that's how I am.

When was it decided that stereotyping a religion was ok? I know quite a few Jewish people who are very nice.

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Originally posted by Ketchup:
eat a big bowl of botulism, fuckstain.

[scouse_dave]

Originally posted by Samsa:
so suddenly there's a difference between 'i don't like jews' and 'all the jews i know have been self-centered something something i forget' and 'i hate jews' ? jesus christ. you are so fucked up.

actually, yes...there's a WORLD of difference

[scouse_dave]

Originally posted by kypper:
Most of the girls I've known "have been self-centered something something i forget." That doesn't mean I'm gay.

*cough*

[Samsa]

Originally posted by scouse_dave:
i'm basing my opinions on the jews i've met in conjuction with research i've done into their belief system/religion

it seems to me that the jews i've met follow the religion to the letter of the law so to speak. if anything they'd be considered 'good' jews IMO.

maybe on a purely personality level tho, yeah...the jews i've met may have been a bad sample of the population...i will admit that point.

however...as severin so beautifully pointed out, deciding to 'not like' jews or their politics (as i do) is NOT antisemitism.

listen, it would probably be a good bet that i know a whole lot more about the jewish religion, AND i know a whole lot more jews than you do. you've done research? bullshit. i give you a link to a website that i think might be useful to you and make you realize that everything you have said is DISGUSTING, and you write it off as a 'pro-jewish website' as if it's a) WRONG to be pro-jewish and b) simply EXPLAINING what judaism is and what jews believe is suddenly 'pro-jewish'. why don't you take your head out of your ass and look at the fucking website dave. it's not 'pro-jewish'. it basically explains and elaborates on what most 'normal' jews today believe. if you haven't noticed there are different sects of judaism and different degrees of observance. not all jews have long beards and insist on seperate seating for men and women in synagogue. why don't you actually do some REAL research before you make biased judgments such as that.

[DeviousJ]

Originally posted by So very sad about me:
So Norman was a Mormon?

Norman the former Mormon

[Samsa]

Originally posted by scouse_dave:
i'm commenting on their religion rather than their race...

people criticise scientologists all the time...labelling them stupid etc

try it with jews tho and YOU'RE A HATEFUL ANTISEMITE!!! YOU BASTARD!!!

DON'T YOU KNOW THAT JEWS WERE KILLED IN THE HOLOCAUST, YOU INSENSITIVE PRICK!1 1!11

[This message has been edited by scouse_dave (edited 10-01-2002).]

you know absolutely nothing about the jewish religion. you hate something you don't know about. as for the seperatism, i agree with it. it's kept the jewish faith alive for 2000 years without a political structure or nation to sustain it for itself. and anyways, not all jews are seperatists. you can't just label the whole jewish religion as one thing. there is no jewish dogma. there's no center of jewish power who gets to say what's what. there are so many types of judaism it's not fucking funny, and for you to label the whole religion as sexist and racist is plain and simply wrong and ignorant.

[Samsa]

Originally posted by kypper:
Uhh, you need to study psychology. Saying "but my grandmother didn't get cancer despite the fact that she worked in the hot sun for 40 years" doesn't mean the sun doesnt' cause skin cancer. http://www.netphoria.org/wwwboard/rolleyes.gif

My point is, regardless of your Aunt, Jews may still play the trump card of anti-semetism.

once again, it's not a trump card. it's paranoia. it's not a manipulative process. jews have been dying for thousands of years and their murderers have SAID things like that. it's not 'you can't insult jews because we were oppressed' it's truthfully pointing out that attitudes like that murdered so many people over the years and it scares people. okay?

[scouse_dave]

Originally posted by Samsa:
listen, it would probably be a good bet that i know a whole lot more about the jewish religion, AND i know a whole lot more jews than you do. you've done research? bullshit. i give you a link to a website that i think might be useful to you and make you realize that everything you have said is DISGUSTING, and you write it off as a 'pro-jewish website' as if it's a) WRONG to be pro-jewish and b) simply EXPLAINING what judaism is and what jews believe is suddenly 'pro-jewish'. why don't you take your head out of your ass and look at the fucking website dave. it's not 'pro-jewish'. it basically explains and elaborates on what most 'normal' jews today believe. if you haven't noticed there are different sects of judaism and different degrees of observance. not all jews have long beards and insist on seperate seating for men and women in synagogue. why don't you actually do some REAL research before you make biased judgments such as that.

you course you know more jews than me. and of course you know more about the jewish faith than me.

OKAY, here it is in a nutshell, can you give me ONE, just one, reason why you believe in the jewish faith rather than the hindu/sikh/catholic/christian/muslim/mormon/scientologist variant?

(and 'i was raised jewish' isn't going to cut it her, missy)

i'm guessing not...