i don't like black people

[Samsa]

WHAT ARE THE COMPONENTS OF ANTI-SEMITISM?
The developmental sequence:
Proceeds from beliefs to feelings to actions. The intensity increases as one moves from stage to stage on this ladder.
Prejudice is a rational pattern of behavior. No prejudiced person thinks of himself as a bigot. He has "reasons" for his prejudice.

[sawdust restaurants]

Originally posted by scouse_dave
suppose i was to say that i didn't like rap music, based on the limited selection of rap music i've heard...

noone would give a shit...

saying i don't like jews is no worse.

If you can't tell the difference between a genre of music and a group of people, you are a complete fucking moron, and Suze is 100% right about you.

[Samsa]

Definitions




The following definitions are intended to provide a frame of reference for discussion, and a shared terminology for the concepts addressed in A WORLD OF DIFFERENCE Institute workshops.

STEREOTYPE
A stereotype is an oversimplified generalization about a person or group of people without regard for individual differences. Even positive stereotypes, such as Asians are good at math and computers, have a negative impact.

PREJUDICE
Prejudice is prejudging, making a decision about a person or group of people without sufficient knowledge. Prejudicial thinking is based on stereotypes. Prejudice is an attitude.

DISCRIMINATION
Discrimination is the behavior or action that can follow prejudicial thinking. Discrimination is the denial of justice and fair treatment in many arenas, including employment, housing, and political rights.

SCAPEGOATING
Scapegoating is the action of blaming an individual or group for something when, in reality, there is no one person or group responsible for the problem. Scapegoating is blaming another person or group for problems in society because of that person's group identity. Prejudical thinking and discriminatory acts can lead to scapegoating. Members of the disliked group are denied employment, housing, political rights, social privileges, or a combination of these. Scapegoating can lead to verbal and physical violence, including death.

RACISM
Racism is prejudice and / or discrimination based on the myth of race. Racists believe that some groups are born superior to others, and in the name of protecting their race from "contamination," they justify the domination and destruction of races they consider to be inferior to their own. Racism can be personal or institutional. Personal racism occurs when a person's skin color is the basis for how others perceive him or her. Institutional racism is racial prejudice or discrimination supported by power and authority used to the advantage of one race over others, as with differential treatment by police or security guards.

ANTI-SEMITISM
Anti-Semitism is a form of religious bigotry. It is prejudice or discrimination against Jews, based on negative ideas about Jews' religious beliefs and practices and / or negative group stereptypes. Anti-Semitism can also be motivated by racism. During the Holocaust, the Nazis murdered six million Jews because they did not want to "contaminate" the "purity" of what they called "the Aryan race."

SEXISM
Sexism is prejudice and / or discrimination based on gender. Like the other "isms," sexism can be personal, as when someone tells a joke or makes a remark that demeans a woman or man because of his or her gender, or institutional, as when women are paid less money than men for doing the same job.

HETEROSEXISM
Heterosexism is prejudice and / or discrimination against people who are gay, lesbian, or bisexual. Homophobia is the fear of homosexuals, or people thought to be lesbian, gay, or bisexual. Homophobia can lead to discrimination and violence as in gay-bashing.

ABLEISM
Ableism is prejudice and / or discrimination against people with mental and / or physical disabilities.

BIGOTRY
Bigotry is prejudice and / or discrimination against one or all members of a particular group based on negative perceptions of their beliefs and practices or on negative group stereotypes.

DIVERSITY
Diversity means different or varied. The population of the United States is made up of people from diverse races, cultures, and places.

CULTURE
Culture is the pattern of daily life learned by a group of people. These patterns can be seen in language, governing practices, arts, customs, holiday celebrations, food, religion, dating, rituals, and clothing, to name a few examples.

MULTICULTURISM
Multiculturism means many or multiple cultures. The United States is multicultural because its population consists of people from many different cultures.



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[Samsa]

Originally posted by sawdust restaurants


If you can't tell the difference between a genre of music and a group of people, you are a complete fucking moron, and Suze is 100% right about you.

thank you

[KrazeeStacee]

Originally posted by scouse_dave
have you been on the music board lately...

with the exception of a few people on here, everyone else listens to alt-rock/ guitar music almost exclusively. i don't see a lot of love for reggae, blues, jazz, drum'n'bass, country, rap, r'n'b etc etc. people on here generally don't like those genres. people accept that. a person has made a decision not to like country say...that's up to them... i'm not gonna msg them saying how narrow-minded they are. it's entirely up to them. it's not doing me any harm whatsoever.

that's called an analogy

I'm not going to msg them either, if they want to be ignorant....thats their choice. Anyone who makes a judgement about anything or anyone without knowing enough about it or them, is ignorant in my book. Period.

Whether that matters to anyone, I could really care less. It's just my opinion.

[killed radio star]

I don't dislike people for the color their skin. THAT's being racist. I dislike a lot of black people because their loud, obnoxious, smelly, rude, and racist. These black people have their own distinctly "i'm black" way of doing these things. But I dislike many white people for the same reasons.

why not just say you hate some people; i really don't see the need for distinguishing it to a specific color. you don't like loud, obnoxious smelly people. leave it at that.

One thing about blacks that piss me off is that they think they can get away with certain things because they're black. THATS what pisses me off about black people most. Again, not all black people. I have some good black friends.

by the same token, black people can't get away with some of the shit white people do.

[beef curtains]

Originally posted by Samsa


Experience has shown that most of those attempting to deny the accusation of antisemitism fit that description well.
- The Society for Rational Peace

That's the stupidest statement i've heard in a long time. if you ask you average normal person who harbors no thoughts about jewish people if they're an anti-semite, and they say no b/c its true..... that makes them one?
if you were to ask a rabbi if they were an anti-semite and they said no, THAT would make them one>?>

WTF

[Fattening Ass]

This thread is Shit.

[Fattening Ass]

Originally posted by Samsa
black people are some of the most self-righteous, smelly, stupid people i have ever met.

am i a racist?

There you go "Generalizing" black people. who cares about anyone's skin color? If you hate Self-Righteous, smelly and stupid people thats one thing, but to lump all black people under that generalization is ridiculous.

and judging by the racial slurs you've posted towards people, yeah i'd say you're one racist bitch.

[kypper]

Originally posted by Samsa


lol.

http://www.yahoodi.com/peace/antisemitism.html#whatis

antisemitism, anti-semitism
\n, usu cap S 2: opposition to Zionism : sympathy with opponents of the state of Israel.
- Webster's Third New International Dictionary

...incredible. You oppose a country's method of creation, point out its fundamental flaws, and disagree with its militant handling of the indigenous people of the area anywhere else, and you're just someone with a political voice. With Jews, you're anti-semitic. I can see who influenced THAT dictionary entry

oh, and Suze, just before you reply to this with 1000 posts about 1000 Jewish web sites... I don't care, they aren't solid evidence, shut the fuck up.

[kypper]

Originally posted by Samsa
WHAT ARE THE COMPONENTS OF ANTI-SEMITISM?
The developmental sequence:
Proceeds from beliefs to feelings to actions. The intensity increases as one moves from stage to stage on this ladder.
Prejudice is a rational pattern of behavior. No prejudiced person thinks of himself as a bigot. He has "reasons" for his prejudice.

I think you and the rest of your 'race' really need to politically make distinctions between disliking a general stereotype and nazism. You don't. It pisses us all off. Saying 'I dislike the Jews I've met' and killing them are two very different things.

[sawdust restaurants]

Originally posted by kypper
...incredible. You oppose a country's method of creation, point out its fundamental flaws, and disagree with its militant handling of the indigenous people of the area anywhere else, and you're just someone with a political voice. With Jews, you're anti-semitic. I can see who influenced THAT dictionary entry

While I'm not anti-Israeli (I'm not pro-Israeli, either; I think both sides are equally at fault), I do agree with what you're saying here.

Edit: I should clarify. I'm not trying to make a political judgment here, but I do find it to be somewhat of a double standard that the dictionary said any support for Israel's enemies is anti-Semitism. You can support the Palestinians politically because you think they are right; by the same token, you can support the Israelis. The former doesn't make you anti-Semitic, and the latter doesn't make you an Islamophobe.

Opposition to Zionism, which is simply Israel's wish for its own state, doesn't necessarily mean anti-Semitism either--it can be rooted purely in politics--although there aren't a whole lot of good reasons as to why Israelis shouldn't have their own state, if there are good reasons at all.

[kypper]

Originally posted by sawdust restaurants

although there aren't a whole lot of good reasons as to why Israelis shouldn't have their own state, if there are good reasons at all.

I have no problems with the concept, but why would they be allowed to just take over someone else's land? How is that just?

Giving them their desire at the expense of others... wonderful.

[Kalsedony]

Originally posted by Samsa
black people are some of the most self-righteous, smelly, stupid people i have ever met.

White Jews are some of the most racist, petty, and neurotic people I've ever met.

[sawdust restaurants]

Originally posted by kypper
I have no problems with the concept, but why would they be allowed to just take over someone else's land? How is that just?

Giving them their desire at the expense of others... wonderful.

I'm not talking about how they achieve it here--I don't want to get off the topic of anti-Semitism. I'm simply talking about the concept, about which you said you had no problems. I've participated in one too many Middle East debates here to take your bait

[kypper]

Originally posted by sawdust restaurants


I'm not talking about how they achieve it here--I don't want to get off the topic of anti-Semitism. I'm simply talking about the concept, about which you said you had no problems. I've participated in one too many Middle East debates here to take your bait

I'm just giving you one solid reason as to why one wouldn't want Israel, as it was created, to occur.

I'm not anti-semitic. I'm anti-Suze.

[Undone]

Desi is the only one with anything worthwhile to say in this thread. *WOAX!!!*

I'll simply assume Suze is trolling. Otherwise I may be ill.

God people are stupid fucks. Please save me god.

[Debaser]

ATTENTION EULOGY AND FATTENING ASS:

SUZE'S TOPIC STATEMENT WAS NOT SERIOUS SHE WAS MAKING AN ANALOGY OF SCOUSE_DAVE'S STATEMENTS ABOUT JEWS. OKAY? JEEZ. DUH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Suze, i feels this is a complete rip off of my thread about the black newsanchor woman liking U2.

PLEASE CLOSE THIS THREAD, SUZE IS A BITER!

[Oblivious]

Originally posted by Debaser
ATTENTION EULOGY AND FATTENING ASS:

SUZE'S TOPIC STATEMENT WAS NOT SERIOUS SHE WAS MAKING AN ANALOGY OF SCOUSE_DAVE'S STATEMENTS ABOUT JEWS. OKAY? JEEZ. DUH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

thank you.

[BeautifulLoser]

Originally posted by Debaser
ATTENTION EULOGY AND FATTENING ASS:

SUZE'S TOPIC STATEMENT WAS NOT SERIOUS SHE WAS MAKING AN ANALOGY OF SCOUSE_DAVE'S STATEMENTS ABOUT JEWS. OKAY? JEEZ. DUH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

It was so obvious in the first post.

[Lie]

I don't have any problem with Dave "not liking some Jewish people" he's met. And I don't give a shit about what anti-semitism does and doesn't mean. And I realize Suze was joking. But when you say, "I don't like blacks," or "I don't like Jews," whatever the case may be, you damn well better mean that you've met every single black or Jew on the planet and in history and that you have the right to make this vast generalization. Otherwise, racism and anti-semitism aside, you're just being overly judgemental, cruel, and unfair to millions of people you've never met before in your life. Saying you don't like a certain genre of music you haven't heard a lot of may be uneducated, but it isn't hurtful.

Do you realize that it's possible to grow up within a certain group of people who are unfairly stereotyped but to actually recognize that the stereotype exists in your family friends, etc., but then to also have to deal with the fact of not being able to separate yourself because you look or are a certain way and there are idiots out there who keep making bigoted references to you and "your people" when you don't feel that you're like "t**** at all?

Most stereotypes are, for the most part, true. The reason we shouldn't use them is to spare the people who are of that color, or **********, or upbringing who don't fit into that stereotype some fucking respect and peace of mind, and it's not worth a grudge against someone on some stupid internet messageboard or any other kind of personal grudge not to give it to them.

[Jesse]

if we could just all stop the bullshit for a little while and face the facts. I mean, lets face it. none of us like black people. Theyre a bunch of annoying morons. come on, we're all white people here. let's not kid ourselves.

[Mayfuck]

I like how Suze made a parody post and several people thought she was serious, and some of those people even responded with equally but sincere racist replies. That's cool.

[Mayfuck]

Originally posted by Jesse
if we could just all stop the bullshit for a little while and face the facts. I mean, lets face it. none of us like black people. Theyre a bunch of annoying morons. come on, we're all white people here. let's not kid ourselves.

Ha. Jizzy still kicks ass.

[Eulogy]

Originally posted by Debaser
ATTENTION EULOGY AND FATTENING ASS:

SUZE'S TOPIC STATEMENT WAS NOT SERIOUS SHE WAS MAKING AN ANALOGY OF SCOUSE_DAVE'S STATEMENTS ABOUT JEWS. OKAY? JEEZ. DUH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Well, I wouldn't put it past her. heh.

...but how was I supposed to know her topic had anything to do with scouse_dave?

But yeah. I'm stupid. Sorry Suze.

[Samsa]

Originally posted by So very sad about me


That's the stupidest statement i've heard in a long time. if you ask you average normal person who harbors no thoughts about jewish people if they're an anti-semite, and they say no b/c its true..... that makes them one?
if you were to ask a rabbi if they were an anti-semite and they said no, THAT would make them one>?>

WTF

you're taking the quote out of context. it's in reference to most people who spout off prejudiced stuff about jews and then as a disclaimer say 'oh i'm not an anti-semite. some of my best friends are jews.'. www.blackpeopleloveus.com , etc

[Samsa]

Originally posted by kypper


antisemitism, anti-semitism
\n, usu cap S 2: opposition to Zionism : sympathy with opponents of the state of Israel.
- Webster's Third New International Dictionary

...incredible. You oppose a country's method of creation, point out its fundamental flaws, and disagree with its militant handling of the indigenous people of the area anywhere else, and you're just someone with a political voice. With Jews, you're anti-semitic. I can see who influenced THAT dictionary entry

oh, and Suze, just before you reply to this with 1000 posts about 1000 Jewish web sites... I don't care, they aren't solid evidence, shut the fuck up.

there's a difference between opposing a country's policies and opposing its existence. you don't seem to see the difference. i can't think of any country in the world that millions of people deny the right to exist to. except palestine of course. and anyways i know that website was a little extreme. but i was on a time budget and it was the first thing i found.

[Samsa]

Originally posted by kypper


I think you and the rest of your 'race' really need to politically make distinctions between disliking a general stereotype and nazism. You don't. It pisses us all off. Saying 'I dislike the Jews I've met' and killing them are two very different things.

of course they're very different things but theoretically it's the same thing. it's all bigotry. i mean. it really is ridiculous that if someone said 'i don't like black people' they'd be flamed as horrible bigots, yet someone says 'i don't like jews' and you defend them by saying 'it's not like they're killing anyone'.

[Samsa]

Originally posted by kypper


I have no problems with the concept, but why would they be allowed to just take over someone else's land? How is that just?

Giving them their desire at the expense of others... wonderful.

that's a complete oversimplification of the matter but i'm not going into it.

i can't stand people of you. do you know why people always equate antizionism with antisemitism? because people like you can't see the word 'jew' without thinking 'israel'. look at this. did this topic have anything to do with israel? no. but here you are, coming in here and starting a debate about israel. that's what the problem is. you don't get it? israel was created because of antisemitism. many opponents of israel USE antisemitism as leverage (ie blood libel). you can't just separate the issue. opposition to israel's policies is not ALWAYS anti-semitic but oftentimes opposition to israel is manifested by antisemitism.