Surprise, surprise....USA gave Iraq biological weapons in the 80's, including...

[Warsaw]

...west nile virus and anthrax. For research purposes of course!!! We would have NEVER given them to be used as a weapon against Iran.

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmp...q_bioweapons_3

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[Warsaw]

"I have never heard anything like what you've read, I have no knowledge of it whatsoever, and I doubt it," Rumsfeld said. He later said he would ask the Defense Department and other government agencies to search their records for evidence of the transfers.

SURE DON!!! WE BELIEVE YOU!!!

[Blank]

That is old news.

[sleeper]

Originally posted by Blank:
That is old news.

yeah. also the tip of the iceberg. if the media puts aside their fear and starts giving a shit, you'll be seeing a lot more stories like this being brought to attention

[opel]

again, this was known to many a while ago (those who cared enough to investigate) and isn't very surprising, looking at the U.S.'s relationship with Iraq in the '80's

but it's interesting to note that while the media have dredged up this story from the depths in between their mcdonald's commericals and million-dollar anchors, their main focus is how this may hurt Bush's war drive and America's image, not the serious connotations and implications of such an event

reminds me of when Iraq offered unconditional inspections and the media followed bush's lead and claimed that the inspections would be an obstacle to a war drive which is based on Iraqi refusal to inspections...

all of this would be hilarious, if it wasn't so horridly revolting

[DeviousJ]

Originally posted by opel:
again, this was known to many a while ago (those who cared enough to investigate) and isn't very surprising, looking at the U.S.'s relationship with Iraq in the '80's

but it's interesting to note that while the media have dredged up this story from the depths in between their mcdonald's commericals and million-dollar anchors, their main focus is how this may hurt Bush's war drive and America's image, not the serious connotations and implications of such an event

reminds me of when Iraq offered unconditional inspections and the media followed bush's lead and claimed that the inspections would be an obstacle to a war drive which is based on Iraqi refusal to inspections...

all of this would be hilarious, if it wasn't so horridly revolting

Yeah, but the point is this kind of hypocrisy has to be 'dredged up' to provide some balance against the total bullshit which is being spouted in the war drive at the moment. And right now, I think it is more important to discredit the current stance on Iraq, given the fact they could be getting bombed very soon.

[opel]

Originally posted by DeviousJ:
Yeah, but the point is this kind of hypocrisy has to be 'dredged up' to provide some balance against the total bullshit which is being spouted in the war drive at the moment. And right now, I think it is more important to discredit the current stance on Iraq, given the fact they could be getting bombed very soon.

yeah, it's a good thing that it's now coming to light and at least some attention will be given to it before it fades into obscurity with the next bush cry for war

but what i was saying is that this sort of thing should be the norm, but it is a long shot from it; the problem is that this story largely isn't seen by the mainstream media outlets as hypocrisy or a reflection of what's really going on; their biggest worry, it seems, is how this is going to hurt "America's image" and how we are now put in an "uncomfortable" position; needless to say, it also hurts their primetime war drive programming as well

sure, anything and everything should be done to provide the information needed for people to function democratically and decide what they want their govt to do (not the other way around, with the govt deciding at every instance what to do with us, to send us to war or not, etc.), and anything and everything should be done to resist and stop this war drive, but just don't expect it from CNN or NBC

[DeviousJ]

I see what you're saying, that it's not being seen as hypocrisy, more as some bad stuff that shouldn't be mentioned. It's almost like doublethink in a way. But I'm just glad the media *is* actually starting to bring these issues up, and not just after the fact. It's a good start, at least

[James Eats Pez]

"Bush is evil."

--Kurt Kobain

[O'Doyle Rules]

you mean the US does terrible/dumb things, just like other countries (past and present)? thats weird.

[scouse_dave]

Originally posted by O'Doyle Rules:
you mean the US does terrible/dumb things, just like other countries (past and present)? thats weird.

yeah, but it's in the context of a potentially imminent attack on iraq

it matters

[Smiley33]

hey, they probably won it on Wheel of Fortune or something.

[DeviousJ]

Originally posted by O'Doyle Rules:
you mean the US does terrible/dumb things, just like other countries (past and present)? thats weird.

And then acts all innocent about it while trying to convince the world to go to war with a country for reasons they once supported them? that's weird.

[slunky_munky]

There's nothing "dumb" about it. That's like saying Hitler did some "evil and dumb" things. It's being an apologist.

Providing (it's not even basic trade half the time) weapons knowingly for the use of terror is not dumb. It's a calculated measure to meet your own needs.

For example, when Britain gives Hawk fighters to the Indonesian military to control a dictatorship, there is no ignorance. It's is not being dumb. It's informed and fully intentional, and arguably successful. It's only acknowledged as a "mistake" when the public learn of it. Until then it is policy and for our own good.

[sleeper]

Originally posted by slunky_munky:
There's nothing "dumb" about it. That's like saying Hitler did some "evil and dumb" things. It's being an apologist.

Providing (it's not even basic trade half the time) weapons knowingly for the use of terror is not dumb. It's a calculated measure to meet your own needs.

For example, when Britain gives Hawk fighters to the Indonesian military to control a dictatorship, there is no ignorance. It's is not being dumb. It's informed and fully intentional, and arguably successful. It's only acknowledged as a "mistake" when the public learn of it. Until then it is policy and for our own good.

exactly.

also, now the UN weapons inspectors met a tentative deal with iraq on resuming inspections. this looks like a positive sign

http://www.salon.com/news/wire/2002/...raq/index.html

[Lie]

Biological weapons are one of the shittiest things mankind ever thought up.

[This message has been edited by Lie (edited 10-01-2002).]