comics: Marvel or DC?

Ketchup · 11-05-2002, 05:22 PM

which superheroes do you prefer, those of Marvel Comics (Spider-Man, X-Men, Fantastic 4, Hulk, etc.)... or DC Comics (Superman, Batman, Justice League, etc.)? my choice is obvious...

Disarmed · 11-05-2002, 05:55 PM

in my mind, marvel definately wins for the most visually appealing and interesting characters (spanning decades) in the superhero genre...

d.c. however wins lots of bonus points for their thoughtprovoking mature books...the vertigo imprint, 'watchmen', 'the dark knight returns', 'sandman'...the list goes on and on

if i had to pick, though? marvel is the most fun.

Best Looking Boy · 11-05-2002, 06:23 PM

Seriously, you don't need to explain yourself. It isn't rocket science.
Marvel

Best Looking Boy · 11-05-2002, 06:30 PM

Favorite Combo Right now = Chris Claremont + Frank Miller

FearFactory · 11-05-2002, 06:44 PM

I've never really been into Marvel or DC, though I would at least read Spider-man from time to time. DC was the worst of the two. I always hated the artwork, and would rather spend my money on Mad magazine than a comic book... that was, until I got into Spawn.

Of course, I don't read it anymore. It just became garbage. It's hard to read a comic book that someone created and then handed over to other people so that they could focus exclusively on selling out.

Best Looking Boy · 11-05-2002, 08:05 PM

I used to read Todd McFarlane's column in Wizard (E.G.O.) every month way back when I used to buy comics. You could see how gradually he just got fucking pissed off at the comic industry in general. He wrote like an open letter one time asking kids if they wanted him to pull cheap gimmicks like Marvel and DC (Chromium Covers, kill off the main character and bring him back, Alternate Universe, Crossovers) because those seemed to be the comics they were buying.

The reason they started Image was because they wanted to do something outside of the industry. I think he forgot that when Spawn got big and wanted to compete with the industry, and the only way to truly compete with the industry is to get down in the dirt.
Then of course when you emerce yourself in the industry, you lose your passion for actually creating comics. I think you can appreciate Spawn at the level where McFarlane was writing (even when he stopped drawing, Greg Capullo did a badass job) and take that for what it was worth.

dishpan · 11-05-2002, 08:07 PM

DC
xmen and the like cant compete with superman and batman.

Best Looking Boy · 11-05-2002, 08:08 PM

Now you got me all sentimental FearFactory. If you want to see some good comics by Marvel check out McFarlane's run on Spiderman, he arguably did the best work on the Spiderman books ever. Black Costume, Venom (before they started drawing him with slimy green shit and a fucked up mouth), and Spidey just getting down in the dirt all around.

tweedyburd · 11-05-2002, 08:27 PM

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Originally posted by Best Looking Boy
Greg Capullo did a badass job) .

Actually, he just did a really good job of ripping off McFarlane's style. But then, I don't imagine many people would've bought it if he'd continued to draw like he did in issues 17-21 or whatever it was.

Best Looking Boy · 11-05-2002, 08:30 PM

I guess, I really didn't mind it, that's probably why they got him. I certainly love Capullo when he did come into his own.

Best Looking Boy · 11-05-2002, 08:31 PM

I'm guessing you didn't like his actual style very much? I also liked Tony Daniel, I stopped reading around then. I honestly haven't read those books since I stopped collecting.

tweedyburd · 11-05-2002, 08:38 PM

Capullo and Tony Daniel and all the others just conformed their style to that more outlandish, insanely detailed way of penciling that McFarlane started. Capullo drew more like a Dale Keown or Mark Silvestri in the beginning.

It makes perfect sense, being that the art and McFarlane's specific style was what made so many people get into the comic in the first place.

It was just like Todd took a permanent vacation and had artists who decided to emulate him fill in.

skippy · 11-05-2002, 08:41 PM

Neither. Comics are pretty dumb.

Ihaman · 11-05-2002, 08:58 PM

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Originally posted by Mark LeDrew
Neither. Comics are pretty dumb.

*Agrees*

Best Looking Boy · 11-05-2002, 08:58 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by tweedyburd
Capullo and Tony Daniel and all the others just conformed their style to that more outlandish, insanely detailed way of penciling that McFarlane started. Capullo drew more like a Dale Keown or Mark Silvestri in the beginning.

It makes perfect sense, being that the art and McFarlane's specific style was what made so many people get into the comic in the first place.

It was just like Todd took a permanent vacation and had artists who decided to emulate him fill in.

I never really overthought it. I think that's where you start taking comics a little too seriously.

tweedyburd · 11-05-2002, 09:04 PM

By that logic I guess all critical observations are 'taking things too seriously.' I think I'll call up Spin, Rolling Stone, Roger Ebert, and many others and just say, "Man, you take it too seriously. Don't waste your time making comments or observations."

Best Looking Boy · 09:13 PM

Why the hell wouldn't McFarlane bring in guys that draw like him? There's nothing wrong with liking them either despite their lack of originality. If I said I didn't want to listen to anything influenced by the Beatles, I'd probably just end up listening to the Beatles. He had a good run and it ended.

Best Looking Boy · 11-05-2002, 09:10 PM

I wasn't trying to attack you either.

Best Looking Boy · 11-05-2002, 09:11 PM

I seriously want to get my comics out of my attic back home right now.

Mayfuck · 11-05-2002, 09:11 PM

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Originally posted by tweedyburd
By that logic I guess all critical observations are 'taking things too seriously.' I think I'll call up Spin, Rolling Stone, Roger Ebert, and many others and just say, "Man, you take it too seriously. Don't waste your time making comments or observations."

You are talking about COMICS, you Charlton Heston-sucking dixieland Islamophobe motherfucker!!!

tweedyburd · 11-05-2002, 09:17 PM

Having influences and the complete changing of one's style to cater to a specific audience are miles apart, chief.

Oh, and thanks for senselessly chiming in, you race-baiting, slanderous, class warfare spewing Misery Merchant!!#4.

Best Looking Boy · 11-05-2002, 09:19 PM

I guess, you're still overthinking it.

tweedyburd · 11-05-2002, 09:22 PM

Right, the next time anyone in any medium of art blatantly rips someone else's style, I'll keep in mind that Best Looking Boy told me that to point that out would be to overthink it.

Best Looking Boy · 11-05-2002, 09:24 PM

Are you trying to make up for your bad taste in music?

strange_one · 11-05-2002, 09:25 PM

out of the 70 or so comics that I purchase each month, about 30 of them are from Marvel, so I guess that is what I prefer. but then I read alot of DC as well, the standard heroes(Batman, Green Arrow), and also most of the Vertigo and Wildstorm imprint titles. Marvel appeals to me a little more though, personally, I'm not sure why. maybe it has to do with the Ultimate universe, or maybe it is just the X-Men

tweedyburd · 11-05-2002, 09:25 PM

Owned.

strange_one · 11-05-2002, 09:27 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Best Looking Boy
Favorite Combo Right now = Chris Claremont + Frank Miller

Claremont is writing some absolute shit at the moment, X-treme X-men is an awful book. I bought his first issue of Mekanix though, it wasn't too bad. but really, he shouldn't be writing anymore

11-05-2002, 09:27 PM

DC, because they are the people who publish the adventures of the fine gentleman in my avatar.

Mayfuck · 11-05-2002, 09:27 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by tweedyburd
Oh, and thanks for senselessly chiming in, you race-baiting, slanderous, class warfare spewing Misery Merchant!!#4.

tweedyburd · 09:36 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by strange_one

Claremont is writing some absolute shit at the moment, X-treme X-men is an awful book. I bought his first issue of Mekanix though, it wasn't too bad. but really, he shouldn't be writing anymore

Dude, you're overthinking it way too much...

11-05-2002, 05:22 PM	#1
Ketchup Apocalyptic Poster Location: Muskegon, MI Posts: 2,469	comics: Marvel or DC? which superheroes do you prefer, those of Marvel Comics (Spider-Man, X-Men, Fantastic 4, Hulk, etc.)... or DC Comics (Superman, Batman, Justice League, etc.)? my choice is obvious...

11-05-2002, 06:44 PM	#5
FearFactory Socialphobic Location: the stars Posts: 10,493	I've never really been into Marvel or DC, though I would at least read Spider-man from time to time. DC was the worst of the two. I always hated the artwork, and would rather spend my money on Mad magazine than a comic book... that was, until I got into Spawn. Of course, I don't read it anymore. It just became garbage. It's hard to read a comic book that someone created and then handed over to other people so that they could focus exclusively on selling out. __________________ I'm tired of searching for myself.

11-05-2002, 08:07 PM	#7
dishpan bestfriendless Location: Washington DC \| Dallas TX \| San Diego CA Posts: 1,712	DC xmen and the like cant compete with superman and batman. __________________ YOU ARE NOT YOUR FUCKING POST COUNT To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 5 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

11-05-2002, 09:09 PM	#17
Best Looking Boy Apocalyptic Poster Location: Austin, TX Posts: 3,414	Why the hell wouldn't McFarlane bring in guys that draw like him? There's nothing wrong with liking them either despite their lack of originality. If I said I didn't want to listen to anything influenced by the Beatles, I'd probably just end up listening to the Beatles. He had a good run and it ended. Last edited by Best Looking Boy : 11-05-2002 at 09:13 PM.

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11-05-2002, 05:55 PM	#2
Disarmed Pledge Location: seattle, wa Posts: 94	in my mind, marvel definately wins for the most visually appealing and interesting characters (spanning decades) in the superhero genre... d.c. however wins lots of bonus points for their thoughtprovoking mature books...the vertigo imprint, 'watchmen', 'the dark knight returns', 'sandman'...the list goes on and on if i had to pick, though? marvel is the most fun.

11-05-2002, 06:23 PM	#3
Best Looking Boy Apocalyptic Poster Location: Austin, TX Posts: 3,414	Seriously, you don't need to explain yourself. It isn't rocket science. Marvel

11-05-2002, 06:30 PM	#4
Best Looking Boy Apocalyptic Poster Location: Austin, TX Posts: 3,414	Favorite Combo Right now = Chris Claremont + Frank Miller

11-05-2002, 08:05 PM	#6
Best Looking Boy Apocalyptic Poster Location: Austin, TX Posts: 3,414	I used to read Todd McFarlane's column in Wizard (E.G.O.) every month way back when I used to buy comics. You could see how gradually he just got fucking pissed off at the comic industry in general. He wrote like an open letter one time asking kids if they wanted him to pull cheap gimmicks like Marvel and DC (Chromium Covers, kill off the main character and bring him back, Alternate Universe, Crossovers) because those seemed to be the comics they were buying. The reason they started Image was because they wanted to do something outside of the industry. I think he forgot that when Spawn got big and wanted to compete with the industry, and the only way to truly compete with the industry is to get down in the dirt. Then of course when you emerce yourself in the industry, you lose your passion for actually creating comics. I think you can appreciate Spawn at the level where McFarlane was writing (even when he stopped drawing, Greg Capullo did a badass job) and take that for what it was worth.

11-05-2002, 08:08 PM	#8
Best Looking Boy Apocalyptic Poster Location: Austin, TX Posts: 3,414	Now you got me all sentimental FearFactory. If you want to see some good comics by Marvel check out McFarlane's run on Spiderman, he arguably did the best work on the Spiderman books ever. Black Costume, Venom (before they started drawing him with slimy green shit and a fucked up mouth), and Spidey just getting down in the dirt all around.

11-05-2002, 08:30 PM	#10
Best Looking Boy Apocalyptic Poster Location: Austin, TX Posts: 3,414	I guess, I really didn't mind it, that's probably why they got him. I certainly love Capullo when he did come into his own.

11-05-2002, 08:31 PM	#11
Best Looking Boy Apocalyptic Poster Location: Austin, TX Posts: 3,414	I'm guessing you didn't like his actual style very much? I also liked Tony Daniel, I stopped reading around then. I honestly haven't read those books since I stopped collecting.

11-05-2002, 08:38 PM	#12
tweedyburd Ownz Location: greensboro, nc U.S. Posts: 708	Capullo and Tony Daniel and all the others just conformed their style to that more outlandish, insanely detailed way of penciling that McFarlane started. Capullo drew more like a Dale Keown or Mark Silvestri in the beginning. It makes perfect sense, being that the art and McFarlane's specific style was what made so many people get into the comic in the first place. It was just like Todd took a permanent vacation and had artists who decided to emulate him fill in.

11-05-2002, 08:41 PM	#13
skippy Apocalyptic Poster Location: NJ Posts: 4,096	Neither. Comics are pretty dumb.

11-05-2002, 09:04 PM	#16
tweedyburd Ownz Location: greensboro, nc U.S. Posts: 708	By that logic I guess all critical observations are 'taking things too seriously.' I think I'll call up Spin, Rolling Stone, Roger Ebert, and many others and just say, "Man, you take it too seriously. Don't waste your time making comments or observations."

11-05-2002, 09:10 PM	#18
Best Looking Boy Apocalyptic Poster Location: Austin, TX Posts: 3,414	I wasn't trying to attack you either.

11-05-2002, 09:11 PM	#19
Best Looking Boy Apocalyptic Poster Location: Austin, TX Posts: 3,414	I seriously want to get my comics out of my attic back home right now.

11-05-2002, 09:17 PM	#21
tweedyburd Ownz Location: greensboro, nc U.S. Posts: 708	Having influences and the complete changing of one's style to cater to a specific audience are miles apart, chief. Oh, and thanks for senselessly chiming in, you race-baiting, slanderous, class warfare spewing Misery Merchant!!#4.

11-05-2002, 09:19 PM	#22
Best Looking Boy Apocalyptic Poster Location: Austin, TX Posts: 3,414	I guess, you're still overthinking it.

11-05-2002, 09:22 PM	#23
tweedyburd Ownz Location: greensboro, nc U.S. Posts: 708	Right, the next time anyone in any medium of art blatantly rips someone else's style, I'll keep in mind that Best Looking Boy told me that to point that out would be to overthink it.

11-05-2002, 09:24 PM	#24
Best Looking Boy Apocalyptic Poster Location: Austin, TX Posts: 3,414	Are you trying to make up for your bad taste in music?

11-05-2002, 09:25 PM	#25
strange_one No Chance Location: Here Posts: 13,788	out of the 70 or so comics that I purchase each month, about 30 of them are from Marvel, so I guess that is what I prefer. but then I read alot of DC as well, the standard heroes(Batman, Green Arrow), and also most of the Vertigo and Wildstorm imprint titles. Marvel appeals to me a little more though, personally, I'm not sure why. maybe it has to do with the Ultimate universe, or maybe it is just the X-Men

11-05-2002, 09:27 PM	#28
Mr. Rhinoceros Posts: n/a	DC, because they are the people who publish the adventures of the fine gentleman in my avatar.